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Just imagine what Microsoft and Apple are getting thru telemetry
You do realize that Google is far worse than Apple and Microsoft combined right?
Not really although its hard to objectively prove anything
I see it as good reason to distance myself from all of these mega data harvesting corporations to the best of my ability. Same goes for meta and tiktok. Why bicker about which is worst when they all are varying degrees of terrible?
Yup. It's a slow process for me, but honestly the fediverse is proving a great resource for that.
You know they can suck up Activity Pub and sell that too, right?
The only difference on the fediverse is that all of them can mine the data, instead of just one of them.
The difference is in what type of data is made available. They can't suck up your IP address through ActivityPub.
Because using none of them is unrealistic.
It takes some effort, but this is untrue. You can easily degoogle many phones with a privacy oriented OS. If you want to avoid Apple, make sure you're not buying an iphone. Install Linux on your computer and use libre open source programs, a privacy oriented email and messaging app. If you need to watch youtube, at least use a proper front end for it. I don't think anyone needs facebook or tiktok, I've been able to just walk away from those without alternatives.
There are manageable approaches to distance yourself almost entirely from these spy companies if you really want to. You can do it slowly, or pick one company at a time to get away from. It doesn't have to be all or nothing, and even small steps in the right direction are beneficial to your privacy.
"ghengis Khan killed more people than Hitler ya know, right?"
As a percentage of population, so did Julius Caesar.
The reality is that Google is entirely dependent on ads and selling your data.
Apple and Microsoft, it's just a happy side gig they can do.
Apple makes its money selling mediocre hardware and software for a premium markup.
Microsoft makes money selling Windows, Office(+Teams) and Azure to business users then from video games, then ad revenue.
Missed the point
Oh I got your point, but I also reject it. Google is objectively making the internet worse.
There isn't any reasonable comparison to Apple or MS outside of they're all too big and too unregulated.
Well, that's wrong. They all collect data and telemetry on you.
Hitler also tortured people
Ok
This is entirely speculation on your part.
Google has been more transparent that it happens. Apple is definitely collecting information on everything you do on their devices as well. It may be just as much info.
With their new pay later feature, you know they are at least collecting enough info to make financial decisions based on your profile.
They also collect health data using the watch.
They collect more than that in order to better understand how to keep people in their ecosystem. I'd wager the latter will about cover what OP was surprised by Google capturing.
Microsoft is another story. They are the most valuable tech company in the world right now due to AI. Which indicates that they are training some powerful AI on data that has been gathered in a number of places.
Doesn't have anything to do with Microsoft and Apple's market share on PC which is what I was thinking of.
Besides, it wasn't like I was saying Google's mobile telemetry is less invasive on Android, where they compete with Apple for being as creepy as possible. IIRC windows phones haven't taken off
Fucking whataboutism. Apple and Microsoft aren’t ad companies. They’re hardware and software companies. They don’t have to collect data on you to literally make any money, Google does. If Google doesn’t track everything you do they’re incapable of making money. The same is absolutely not true for ms and Apple.
Whataboutism? Where did I say this makes what Google is doing better? They all work together. God you people are dense.
Microsoft and Apple absolutely are ad companies lmfao.
Microsoft is a ad company and Apple locks you in so you only buy there proprietary products. I don't see how they are better
In regards to how much data they collect from you, which is the topic of this discussion, I’d say they are better. Everyone likes to defend Google because they offer you cheap or free things, but the truth is that comes at the cost of them surveilling everything you do. That’s their business. This knee-jerk response to say “well, Apple does it too” is not only almost completely wrong, it misses the distinctions between the two companies and their business models. Also, even if Apple actually did collect as much data as Google that is not an argument to keep using Google products.
I don't use Google, Apple or Microsoft products. My statement wasn't intended to be a justification. I'm just saying Apple and Microsoft are no worse that Google
especially now that they give out Windows upgrades for free
Apple is still an ad company they just want to cordon off their "private ad system" with their VPN products and hide my email shit. Don't trust Apple at all myself
Feel free to go request the same fucking data from
Apple: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102208
And Microsoft: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/18/how-to-download-a-copy-of-everything-microsoft-knows-about-me.html
Then go ahead and tell me they’re in the same ballpark as what Google’s collected on you.
What you're able to request from these companies officially is just the tip of the iceberg. The point is that between phone numbers, email reuse, google analytics etc with fingerprinting, and operating system telemetry, a complete picture is assembled of users.
If you're not looking for arguments and instead approaching things from understanding surveillance maybe my statements will make sense now.
It is literally not the tip of the iceberg. I work in the industry, so lecturing me about data management platforms is asinine. Microsoft and Apple’s collection practices are minuscule compared to Google’s and DMPs are terrible at their jobs.
Lol? Way to discredit yourself as a clueless fucking rube. "I work in the industry and I take everything my employer says at face value" is not going to convince me bucko.
Why don't you start talking about Apple's third party ad service servers if you think you know where all the data is going? They leak everything even if they don't officially retain stuff. It's all theatre for employees and regulators and the EU.
I take it you mean Douglas Leith who is the first result?
The point of calling ou twhataboutism is that we should condemn both of them
Of all three, Google has the most skin in that game, for what it’s worth, IMHO. They’re an advertising company first and foremost, and it shows in all of their products’ feature sets and privacy policies.
But we also can’t trust either of them lol
Data has become even more valuable with AI. All big tech outfits are incentivised to collect it now. Combine that with them being able to and you're left just having to trust them. If you plan to use their stuff that is.
Google is by far the worst offender. Their business model is based on collecting this data. Microsoft wants this to be their business model too. Apple just wants to sell you devices, and they are promoting themselves as privacy friendly, I’m sure they’re making some effort to avoid collecting data they don’t need.
Apple is only promoting themselves as a privacy company to try to get VPN customers to move to their iCloud plus and shit. It's like Micro$oft moving into open source. I really don't think it's ever wise to take a company's philosophy seriously it's just a way to manage customer and employee expectations temporarily.
No, I think Apple is promoting themselves as a privacy company because companies like Google, Meta, and Microsoft are abusing your data and you and it’s actually a great position to take and way to distinguish themselves from others in the industry. There are countless privacy features on Apple products that they initiated which show they’re pretty damn serious about it… MAC address hiding, killing 3rd party cookies and forcing Google to too, blocking trackers, encryption of cloud data, granular privacy controls, cracking down on Meta’s app tracking abuse. I trust Apple a million times more than the others and would rather pay extra for a device knowing my info isn’t being vacuumed up in the same way the others do. Tired of neck beard nerds defending the practices of these companies. Google and Meta are privacy nightmares. Google is the original privacy nightmare. It is spyware. You can’t convince me that aPpLe iS wOrSe just because you have an ax to grind with the company. The truth is there is a big difference between them and your whataboutism bullshit is lame and overplayed and also WRONG.
Oh my God I've triggered the Apple FOMO dorks. Please get a life