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[–] Rayspekt@kbin.social 22 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Basically it seems that google is losing the arms race against SEO[...]

What does this mean in particular?

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Companies are better at getting their shitty product/spammy pages to the top of search results than Google is able to find high quality pages to show you.

Google has to create algorithms to judge pages based on their content and get good results , companies only have to fine tune their pages to match the algorithm.

[–] GustavoFring@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

IIRC Google penalizes sites if they are detected to be abusing the SEO system. Not sure how effective the detection is though.

[–] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 27 points 10 months ago

Poor, if my google search results are anything to go by

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's actually very tricky to implement because people have used it to do "negative SEO". Which is essentially making it seem like your competitors are abusing the system to get their results lowered.

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 21 points 10 months ago

People with mediocre content using SEO to get themselves higher in the search results than sites with actual information on them. That way when searching for something you need to dig through the shit to get to the nugget of actual useful info.

Search engines tried to rank pages based on how big the chance is the info the user is looking for is actually on that page. SEO makes it so that pages with a lower chance of containing the right info, are ranked before pages with a higher chance. This leads those pages to get more hits and thus marketing thinks it's done their job. But in reality it just pisses off users, blaming the dumb sites that do this and more often the search engine. Search engines are trying to fight this, but SEO is big business, so they are losing the battle.

Now these days there are more issues, like search engines not having access to a lot of info in so called walled gardens. So more good info gets created in places where it can't easily be found. Also search engines have become more and more advertisement machines instead of search engines and with this shift in priorities, the user experience deteriorates.

But yeah SEO sucks and has always sucked.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Search Engine Optimization. Not providing the best search result, but tricking the search engine into thinking you have the best result.

[–] nottelling@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It means if you search for anything, your first 3 pages of hits are the same useless websites that exist to push ads vaguely related to your search rather than real info. Trying to research a broken TV used to return things like AVForums or reddit threads or samsung support sites. Now it's "TEN BEST TV's IN 2024" that are nothing but sponsored content and affiliate links to tvs on amazon.

Google can't figure out how to tell the difference between the former and the latter, and isn't motivated to because they get paid for the ad clicks, and not for the forum clicks.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh they know, they just choose to shovel the shit for money.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If google detected continuing searching after a page visit, then that page you looked at was probably not having the right answer, right?

SEO solution : make super long pages with the history of what you are looking for and adding mumbo jumbo stuff to bloat out the page so you stay there longer. Now google thinks you found what you looked for.

And a lot of other crap ofc.

[–] Rayspekt@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Ahhh, that's the goal behind those overly long explanations about how Jimbo Jimboson invented the spoon when I just want to look up soup recipies.

[–] vexikron@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

SEO stands for Search Engine Optimization.

The technicals of all the ways this is done nowadays are complicated, but basically SEO itself is now a pretty huge industry, just website owners paying SEO companies to show up higher in search results.

Basically the scenario we are now in is that companies that can afford to game and manipulate the way google's search algorithm works in terms of prioritizing 'relevance', ie, what you see first, have been so successful at this that it has essentially ruined the ability to find any website that cannot afford to do so.

This would be something like 99.999% of existing websites are going to be much harder to find without going through pages and pages of results, whereas a tiny number of websites that can afford massive SEO are going to show up on the first page, as well as in search results for search terms they are barely related to at all.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

SEO (search engine "optimization") is how a search engine ranks its results. The more webpages link to a certain result (as determined by a webcrawler), the higher it is displayed. That is why bloggers are often paid by bad actors to publish editorials that link to a scam, virus, or gambling website.

Google popularized the concept in its early years, back when SEO was an organic indicator of a result's popularity. It made them the single best choice. Then, capitalism happened, and SEO became a resource to exploit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bARSNVobUk