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‘It will be the end of democracy’: Bernie Sanders on what happens if Trump wins – and how to stop him
(www.theguardian.com)
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In the past few elections, voting feels more like a hostage situation than exercising my right to making a “choice”. This country is absolutely fucked if Trump is elected again.
Easier said than done I know but if Trump wins my wife and I would strongly consider emigrating to another country. There's only so much insanity one can take before needlessly going down with the ship. And if the calculus is that that my kids will have better prospects elsewhere, then so be it.
You're assuming that 1st world countries will have us.
Seconding this. Moving to another country without skilled work history and/or higher education in a niche field that would be of use to the destination country is extremely hard to do. You, basically, have to beat out a skilled worker that already lives there. The other option is to be wealthy and buy your way in.
A lot of people have this misconception that moving elsewhere is easy. Turns out, when assholes yell at you about leaving the country when you don't like something, they're not being genuine and more doors are closed to you than open.
And, if you're asking yourself how all the other immigrants are doing it, I can guess that they're possibly being exploited with by pay that won't be a living wage and/or have a desperate situation back home.
Interestingly, I've seen a few people warn that, when poop finally hits the fan because of ww3, you don't necessarily want to be the othered, new family on the block.
Take my words with a grain of salt, but reality might be much different than people think when it comes to jumping ship.
Fascism is on the rise globally. If enough decent people leave the US, we will fall into a fascist regime, and it will be the beginning of World War Three, with the US leading the equivalent of the Axis powers. No place in the world will be safe for you or your children. That's the hard, honest truth.
Agreed. We need to stay, and we need to fight to change the system from the inside. We can still prevent disaster at this stage.
With my partner, friends, and I being "degenerates" and likely the first group the fascists genocide... nope, see ya, I'm out. We already are experiencing the low-tide effects of genocide and while people aren't in droves killing us yet, there are state allowed murders seemingly popping up and medical genocides creeping into the states. It's only a matter of time and there is effectively nothing I can do, so for the lives of my family, friends, and I, we will be doing whatever it takes to get out before it really starts.
You must do what you feel is right, of course. I disagree that it is inevitable, I disagree that there is nothing you can do, and as I said above, I doubt that, should it happen, anybody will be safe, anywhere; but I wish you and yours safety and peace, wherever you go.
Good idea. I think it’s worth doing some research to find out where you might be able to go.
The problem is that without good people to stop them, evil people taking charge of the USA would radically change the entire world.
It's not easy, but most of us have to stay. Maybe all of us...
I'll be in my 3rdW country eating popcorn
Yes. That's the end game of our type of voting system. You get two options and both suck.
We will get no progress until we get something like ranked choice voting.
Obligatory CGP Grey video about the inevitability of a 2-party system
https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
That's my favorite. I've watched it more than a few times
Which we won’t get, because it doesn’t benefit the right people
If we can at least get 2 dems in a row in office we can begin to claw the Overton window back from the fascist side. It'd be a start at least
This is the part too may people fail to understand. The same reason Trump wasn't able to completely dismantle democracy in 4 years is why Dems can't check every progressive box in 4 years. The system is designed to require a decade or more of electoral success to enact real change. Otherwise you'd just have an unsustainable political yoyo.
Even then, Trump winning one time has completely fucked the Supreme Court, and US democracy will unequivocally not survive another Trump pick. A ton of allegedly left leaning people here seem suspiciously enthusiastic about that prospect.
Wtf? Civil Rights?
That's far too naive. All that will do is entrench liberalism, which is extremely weak against fascism rising.
Bless your heart.❤️
It always has been.
I’ll have to read that book. Thanks for sharing.
I wonder if Haley is staying in the race betting that Trump won't be able to run in November
That has been my assumption as well.
I think she would help Biden if she stayed in the race as an independent
Betting on Trump's last hamburder
We need to focus on smaller winnable races. Unfortunately we can't shortcut our way into the presidential candidates we want, we need to replace the establishment and build a foundation of allies to support it. I know a lot of us are in conservative areas where you can't realistically get new candidates elected locally, but you can still volunteer for races in other parts of the country. If we can shift politics in the house and Senate the presidency will follow. It's hard work but it's possible.
When's the last time that hasn't been the case? 1964?
When has a Russian puppet been the GOP front runner? This is bigger than politics.
Always has been that way