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Time: "Marxism identified Jews as an enemy deserving liquidation." (time.com)

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[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why do Marxists get blamed for things done by fascists?

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Something something National Socialism

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The question is, did the Nazis know they would fail and pick that title just to troll us?

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They wanted to trick the German people into thinking that they would help them. Since the socialists actually cared about the people.

Excellent marketing and PR.

Same reason why Pol Pot was a MLM. Excellent optics that buy you support to then accomplish your real goals.

[–] JoeBalls@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

dont think I'd call Pol Pot an MLM

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

He was not. But he called himself one, that’s the point I was making.

We all know his positions were different, but his optics were focused around using Maoism to his personal advantage.

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A Maoist, not a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist. No one really called themselves an MLM til the 80s, when the PCP/Shining Path officially "synthesized" it.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

True, but wouldn’t a Maoist by extension be a Marxist-Leninist? MLM certainly had its connotations because of groups like the shining path, but I meant that more in the way that he used legends from Marxist-Leninism, and Maoism to draw support.

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I would say you are probably correct. A lot of it is semantics - I think prior to the eighties you're just more likely to run into phrases like "adherent to Mao Zedong Thought" rather than "Marxist-Leninist-Maoist".

Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge's words on the matter

“Our two Parties, two governments and two peoples have maintained a fundamentally identical, correct, Marxist-Leninist stand.”

Speaking first, Hua Kuo-feng welcomed the Kampuchean comrades, calling their visit a “major event” in the relations between the two parties and countries. He said, “The Communist Party of Kampuchea, headed by comrade Pol Pot, is a staunch Marxist-Leninist Party.” He called the CPK “the force at the core leading the Kampuchean people in seizing victory in their revolution.”

In warmly praising Mao Tsetung Thought, Pol Pot said, “Following Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin, Chairman Mao and his thought have triumphantly stood the test of successive revolutionary storms.” He said that Mao Tsetung Thought today illuminates the path of revolution for people all over the world.

“More precisely,” Pol Pot said of Mao Tsetung Thought, “It is the most effective and sharp ideological and political weapon which infallibly guides our struggle to victory.”

emphasis mine

Undeniably, I would say, they were Maoist, but at the time 'Maoism' and 'Marxism-Leninism' were considered pretty much one and the same by "anti-revisionists" or those communists who split with the USSR after Khruschev's coup d'etat. I'd say calling Pol Pot a 'Maoist' is a fair enough examination, it's just that to him "Maoism" and "Marxism-Leninism" were synonymous. I'd maybe go so far as to call him a proto-MLM.

source: https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/cpml-pol-pot.htm

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because colonization would be more difficult if the colonizers felt guilty about their atrocities. Thus, they have to blame everybody but themselves (irrespective of how lazy that is), which they have always done:

[W]e shall powerfully enter into your country, and shall make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of their Highnesses; we shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as their Highnesses may command; and we shall take away your goods, and shall do you all the mischief and damage that we can, as to vassals who do not obey, and refuse to receive their lord, and resist and contradict him; and we protest that the deaths and losses which shall accrue from this are your fault, and not that of their Highnesses, or ours, nor of these cavaliers who come with us.

And that we have said this to you and made this Requisition, we request the notary here present to give us his testimony in writing, and we ask the rest who are present that they should be witnesses of this Requisition.

— Requerimiento, 1510

[–] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

this is by far one of the most insane thing I have ever read, both in its proud and contemptuous stupidity and in its despicable aims.