169
At least 5 killed after air dropped aid falls on them in Gaza | CNN
(edition.cnn.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 08 Mar 2024
169 points (93.8% liked)
News
23266 readers
3443 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Well done as usual, America.
Golf clap.
Maybe the U.S. should stop "helping" Palestinians. And also stop helping Israel.
Humanitarian Daily Rations are best for scenarios like when displaced people are en route, or transient camps without cooking infrastructure built yet.
Flour, rice, lentils, beans, etc is cheaper both up front and a per-meal basis, but doesn’t offer a bonus payout to US military industrial suppliers. The same companies that make the MREs the military eats in the field, also made the HDRs being airdropped right now.
Like I said, maybe they should stop "helping."
It’s a paltry effort in face of the mammoth need, but I’d rather see this, than the world walking away. Because enforcing the ICJ judgement or stopping a preventable famine apparently isn’t allowed, but “we tried” I guess?
We’ve already seen deaths from starvation and Palestinians who look like the “living skeletons” we liberated from Auschwitz or Buchenwald. I’m behind any effort to try and stop that, however ineffective it is, as long as the efforts continue to stop the death
Help is a relative word.
If I ask for your help in fixing my computer and you show with slegehammer, you're not really helping then, are you?
Its more like someone showing up with a screwdriver, which is generally the correct tool to help fix a computer, but it's too small and sometimes they slip while using it and damage the motherboard in the process.
Not great, but if you literally had no other option for computer help, it's still something.
Not really tho because most computer issues are software-based ... so a screwdriver is just as useless as a sledgehammer.
The best thing to do is ask what help is needed vs assuming you know what to do and only providing the aid you want to give.
Well now we are just splitting hairs into worse and worse hairs.
Turns out computer repair, much like the humanitarian aid we are actually talking about, is indeed a complex and difficult thing to get right.
It's almost like the attempt to help should get some credit, especially as the person who brought a sledgehammer or a screwdriver learns that you need software support and adjusts that help accordingly.
When someone needs help the onus is on the one who offers help to understand what help is needed.
If you don't want to give specific help, don't offer.
And no, just because the helper provided incorrect or useless aid doesn't mean it should be appreciated.
Ok but this isn't useless though
When a population is starving, I fail to see how single portion containers isn't helping.
It is food. If it's more food than you can eat before it parishes, share it with others around you.
Yeah, it's not great that the chutes failed and we basically catapulted "aid" at a residential building, but there are unavoidable risks when you're forced to air drop anything.
This is more condemning good in the name of perfect.
If you want to point fingers, point them at Isreal for not allowing aid to be driven in.
And no, I don't need more finger pointing about US aid to Isreal.
Oh, we finally reached: "It's the reality of air dropping food" 🥹
Because clearly allowing millions of people to starve is preferable to taking the action that we can, which isn't foolproof.
You do realize that Isreal has killed aid caravans as well, right? That the 5 person death count from this, while absolutely tragic, is still in all likelihood demonstratively safer than the alternatives?
No, you prefer more "perfect is the enemy of good" arguments? Enjoy living in your hypothetical world where nothing ever gets done because it's not a perfect solution without any drawbacks.
My comment here is largely just a vent about one of my favorite quotes which may have just been a typo in your comment or may have been misunderstood.
It seems this person is making the argument “good is the enemy of perfect,” not “perfect is the enemy of good.” The latter is the point you’re making, and one I’m pretty passionate about (I printed it and put it on the wall in my office years ago!). I’m a perfectionist who wants to get things done, and by reminding myself that good is something and perfect is impossible, I get a lot more done.
I once had a VP who told us on his first day “good is the enemy of perfect” was one of his driving values, and I knew that day we were going to have issues. Sure enough, he was a micromanager who didn’t trust anyone else to make decisions. Despite being a VP of 60+ people, he’d change work by individual contributors 2+ layers down from him when he didn’t like something. “Perfection” was defined only by him and nothing anyone else did was good enough. Reporting up through him for a year was miserable and three years later we’re still cleaning up problems his ego caused.
So yeah, I agree with you. I’m glad we did an airdrop. Was it enough or an end all? No. Is what happened with it a tragedy? Absolutely. But I’m glad we’ve done something (the good) AND I will push for more, rather than demonize the good because it wasn’t perfect.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply, and I agree 100%! I think that's experience talking, and perhaps why we have so much friction here on Lemmy, where there's a very progressive trend.
We all want the same thing, but there's a huge divide between those of us that accept that change is slow and iterative, and those that require a perfect world and will try to burn down anything that isn't fast or complete enough.
I never realized how many people thought like that before
Not sure why did you rewrite this comment again. As the Palestinians say this is just a theater. "We are definitely not funding a genocide. A ceasefire deal will happen any day now"
How predictable. It's almost like I already knew what you were going to say when you had zero ground to stand on for demonizing this particular event.
Oh wait, I totally did.
lol what do you expect? I am not allowed to talk about the actual involvement of the USA in the war because you said so. and the Palestinians opinion is irrelevant because you know better.