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‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags (web.archive.org)

submitted 1 year ago by 0x815@feddit.de to c/news@beehaw.org

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In 2015, many liberal residents in Hamtramck, Michigan, celebrated as their city became the first in the United States to elect a Muslim-majority city council. They viewed the power shift and diversity as a meaningful rebuke of the Islamophobic rhetoric of then Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s campaign. This week many of those same residents watched in dismay as a now fully Muslim and socially conservative city council passed legislation banning Pride flags from being flown on city property that had – like many others being flown around the country – been intended to celebrate the LGBTQ+ community.

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[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

i think this line of thinking is easily the least useful anti-theist critique you can make of religion. even if we dispensed of all religion, spirituality, and superstition, most people would still be fundamentally irrational actors. religion might influence the ways in which they are and how that practically manifests—but let's be clear, most people do not even come close to having a coherent moral system or set of beliefs and that wouldn't even if you made them blank-slate irreligious people. the problem you are describing is not a religious problem, and it would exist even if we had no religion.

EDIT: fyi this post was attached to something previously but something fucked up happened so it's totally context-less now lol. upvote if you will but this makes no sense in the context it's now being displayed in

[–] bdiddy@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

religion is what gives them cause to act on their shitty way of thinking. It gives them an excuse that they can then go to sleep thinking they've done right.

Without religion society would come down so fucking hard on them for their shitty ass views.. Sadly lots of people are religious so even those that don't agree, agree that it's against god or w/e stupid ass shit they come up with.

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you're just describing being an asshole here, which is not religion exclusive. how would your point—which appears to be this is some unique property of religion—reconcile someone like Mao Zedong? Mao was not a religious person in any meaningful sense of that word. he renounced Buddhism and was basically an anti-theist (and/or at least an atheist) for most of his life, and in fact presided over one of the largest systematic destructions of religious heritage in modern history during the Cultural Revolution.

[–] bdiddy@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

well currently in the US religion is fighting progress and religion is what half the bills in Texas that just passed were based on. Abortion is sceince, but religion is what has caused it to lose legality. Religion ignores science. Same thing going on with climate change.. religion says humans aren't doing this.. Science disagrees, but here we are.

So yeah religion is the thing. not just being an asshole. It's written into the various religions (who all think the other is wrong by the way) that this is the way to be. To deny science is the right choice of action for them.