Edit Regarding the image, acting like the us/west was the only one trying to collect Nazi intelligence via recruiting scientists and the like is comical. If the soviets could have got them, they would have. Sucks to suck?

Only thing comical here is the sheer ignorance on display, sucks to be an ignoramus https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/

[–] Gabu@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine is a proxy in a war between Russia and NATO.

Which Russia can stop at any time by LEAVING THE SOVEREIGN SOIL OF ANOTHER NATION.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Do explain why you think Russia would do that?

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Literally never addressed Nazis in the west. Not one bit. Why'd you bring it up?

The point I did bring up is that the soviets also secured rocket engineers, and undoubtedly would have loved to have von Braun and similar.

And beyond that, as the original comment was discussing Russians in Ukraine, which they obviously are. Even if it is a proxy war, it is a just one because Russia kicked it off with a flaccid attempt on kyiv. Edit and NATO is backing Ukraine. If Russia pulled out tomorrow the evil NATO certainly wouldn't chase them into classic Russian territory.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That’s true: the scientists are hardly worth mentioning, because most were just worker bees. It’s really the assimilation of the Nazi command structure that was the issue.

Communism—unlike liberalism—is incompatible with fascism.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They didn't use the command structure you're referring to because they didn't get them. Very silly assuming they just ignored them because of some principled stance.

Agreed communism is incompatible with fascism but that's historically convenient because Stalin was a wolf in sheep's wool on that topic. His government modeled many fascist behaviors quite readily.

Edit also I'd say declaring the workerbee vs command distinction is a clear goalpost move.

I asserted that the soviets took Nazi scientists and technologists, and they did.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I expect you’re right on that last point even without looking at the evidence.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago

And in the spirit of conversation, I acknowledge NATO is not some benevolent entity against all evils. I just find the kneejerk too much sometimes.