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Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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Real-world CO2 emissions of cars are 20% higher than indicated. For plug-in hybrids they are 250% higher. (climate.ec.europa.eu)

submitted 7 months ago by hanrahan@slrpnk.net to c/collapse@lemmy.ml

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EDIT: the article is from the European Commission. This thing comes from a serious study based on hard facts and data. Check this comment by @wooster, who reported the data

It's not a typo: plug-in hybrids are used, in real word cases, with ICE much more than anticipated.

In the EU, fuel consumption monitoring devices are required on new cars. They studied over 10% of all cars sold in 2021 and turns out they use way more fuel, and generate way more CO2, than anybody thought.

The gap means that CO2 emissions reduction objectives from transport will be more difficult to reach.

Thruth is, we need less cars, not "better" cars.

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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Transition from an old tech with 100+ years of development over to a new tech with decades of development. Electric cars as a concept had been around just as long, but not really developed. People were uncomfortable with the range of all-electric cars for a while. Today there's no reason to use a hybrid, IMHO.

[–] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Electric cars are more expensive and the infrastructure to charge them isn’t as ubiquitous as gas stations.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

I have an electric power outlet in my home, I do not have a gas station. All the homes around me are similarly equipped, based on that, car charging infrastruxture is MUCH more widespread

As ecar owners have opined to me, the best fast chargers are 100miles from your home, because you don't need them at or near your home.

That said I don't own an ecar, or an ice car because fuck cars. Cars are the problem.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I can't afford an electric car

[–] maketotaldestr0i@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

electric bikes a bad ass, just get a bike trailer . good for most stuff you use car for. you can produce your own electricity with just a couple panels at home to charge it. 10x-100x the efficiency of electric cars

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not taking an electric bike 45 miles to work lol I don't ride a bike period around here. There are no bike lanes, everyone drives like shit in brodozers, and way to many bicyclists get killed and maimed every year. I wouldn't mind a bike for going to the small town I live by, but I'm not dying to some shit head driving a truck that's never been off of pavement.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

No one is going to be able to live 45 miles from work in the future. Just sayin.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Except they're priced so that no one but the well off can afford them.