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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yes. The point of government is to fight things too big for us to fight ourselves. That is the only reason government has to exist. All the other things are nice to have features, but a government is a fighting force.

That doesn’t mean we give up our own weapons though. We need an army to fight the other armies, law to fight the power of money, and government for those. But we also need weapons of our own to prevent the government from physically fighting us.

Our weapons keep the government polite. The government keeps other governments and other large organizations polite.

It’s the minimum structure necessary for a society where respectful interaction is the norm.

All these weapons and power structuring aren’t about dominating. They’re about maintaining a power balance to prevent domination … and make space for respect and trade.

Government therefore exists in order to:

  • Prevent any individual from dominating any other individual, creating guaranteed space for respectful trade
  • Ensure the first item by having enough physical power (army) to control any individual including removing them
  • Also configure that army to oppose other armies so that they can’t come dominate the local individuals
  • Be unable to dominate the whole polity if it fights together (government carries a sword but each individual carries a small knife; only large groups of individuals can oppose the sword)

It all starts from needing a way to enforce nobody is dominating anyone else.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 17 points 7 months ago

But we also need weapons of our own to prevent the government from physically fighting us.

And the most important and effective weapon is collective action. The reason people look weird at Americans about gun culture is because alone, you can have as many guns as you want, the police will bash your head in either way. Together, you don't even need guns, you can cripple the government in a week by just not going to work.

And that ability is incredibly heavily regulated in the US. From our perspective, the US is the country where people don't have the ability to fight the government.

That said, guns can be good against nazis at your door, but at that point, the government has long failed at taking out the trash.

[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What i take away from this is that when an individual becomes too powerful (e.g. rich) it becomes a threat for the government and the government should consider it a threat and intervene. Yes, I'm talking about the billionaires.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

That's why it's important to study the mechanisms of the state to see who actually controls it.