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I mean, the UK is a net food importer. Trade deals that lower the bar to obtain agricultural output are a plus for the UK, in aggregate. That was one of the few real arguments you could make, that the UK could lower the barriers to agricultural imports, whereas in general, it was hard to do in the EU.
Doing so is bad for British farmers, sure, that's zero-sum insofar as it's just a transfer of wealth between British people eating food and farmers, but they permit leveraging comparative advantage in other countries, so you get economic efficiency gains.
Like, the one group of economists that I saw that was arguing for Brexit was led by an economist specifically arguing on the point that it'd permit the UK lower barriers to agricultural imports more than the European Union Customs Union would permit for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Minford
I mean, I'm American, and I still went out and read his papers to see what people were arguing on both sides. If I were a British farmer and was thinking about Brexit and where I want my country to go and the impact it might have on my business, I'd damn well read what the material being put out is.
I was skeptical that Minford is right that when you take into account all the pros and cons into account, that the UK is better-off out, but I don't dispute that he's right on being able to lower barriers to agricultural trade trade is more-favorable to the UK; if the UK could take that in isolation but otherwise be in the EU, sure, it'd be better-off. And what the UK is doing now is nothing compared to what he wanted to do -- he was arguing for, in Brexit, unilateral elimination of all British import tariffs. You think that British farmers are seeing disruption under a few trade deals with major agricultural exporters, that'd be a heck of a lot more disruptive.
Is this still about the shitty US chlorinated chicken that we've already had a long-ass trade war about?
It was hardly a trade war. It was one MP that thought that maybe this would be a good idea and the US going "er, maybe". The UK is such a non-market as far as the United States is concerned, especially once you calculate in all of the costs of shipping, that it was never really going to happen.
The only real reason that it got brought up so much was that it was a good demonstration of the utterly delusional attitude of brexitiers. That somehow we'd be better off with lower food quality standards and that should be something we would celebrate. I do not think it got much further than the vague idea stage because it really wasn't viable for the United States so they never agreed to it. No matter what some nutcase MP may have thought.
You don't want chlorine in your food? Why do you hate freedom? Are you a communist?
Sure. Letβs go with that.