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I've read accounts from people returning to the US after a visit in China saying it feels like returning to the 20th century after experiencing what 21st century infrastructure is like. Did you get that sense that all? I suppose it is highly dependent on which city you visited.
Yes. I literally was just telling someone it felt like it was both a century ahead and a century behind in some ways. Infrastructure and walk ability are amazing. The trains are so nice and so fast. I took multiple high speed trains, and next time I go back I intend to do the maglev train from Shanghai to… wherever it goes, I just want to ride the train 😂
When you say a century behind, I'm curious about what was like that.
Traffic is madness and I don’t understand how there’s not constant accidents all the time. It basically seems like a lawless land where everyone just does whatever they want wherever they want. Cars just sort of play chicken and force their way through gaps by just sort of… going and the other guy will either slow down or he won’t. Lots of people fail to stay in their lanes and many times my driver would have to honk to get someone to get back over into their lane instead of driving in the middle of two lanes.
I watched arguments between taxi drivers and regular drivers because some dude would just stop in the middle lane of a three lane road and play on his phone, and everyone just sort of had to go around them.
At the same time, traffic lights are tied into Didi and you can see when the light your driver is at will turn green while they’re on their way to you.
It’s not as bad as like the infamous videos from India and other countries , but it was still unsettling until I got used to it.
The rural areas are still quite bad (compared to the big cities that are amazing), unlike Western Europe where even backwaters are pleasant (the US is halfway between both though).
I didn't make it to too rural of an area, but I’ve heard similar. I did go to the town my wife grew up in, which is technically a village, and they had better walk ability and more accessible grocery and hospital than my city in the US, but it’s pretty clear that is a recent development from all the cranes and new buildings around. I saw some of the more truly rural areas from the window of the high speed train, and there were definitely some really ancient looking villages that were just a row of houses and farmland.
I’m sure they’ll develop the areas it went. Like when the high speed trains were going to “nowhere” and now that “nowhere” is a bustling metropolis. Maybe not though, I guess we’ll find out.
Not just infrastructure, payments are also convenient with Ali pay/WeChat pay. Everyone pays everything by phone, most haven't used cash or card in years, although you can if you want. Apps are also ridiculously well designed and integrated, less visible as a foreigner, as much if it is obviously in Chinese and you have a language barrier. But you can really do anything you can imagine in WeChat. Alipay can also translate in miniapps. Say you are in a restaurant, you will scan a qr code on the table, can have a menu that you can automatically translate if you so chose. You also can order and pay through that menu on your phone.
Bureaucracy exists like everywhere else, but tends to be faster and more efficient in my experience. It's not perfect, but the country does feel very different.
Also, it doesn't depend that much on the city. I have been to most large cities in China, many small and medium sized ones too. I have also been to the countryside. The latter is more relaxed, but everywhere has technology and infrastructure. Basically all cities are serviced by train. Towns will all have bus systems that mean you can get anywhere in the country with public transportation.