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There is no socialist project to become dead in the water. What is possible is the project of Palestinian liberation, and THAT is being actively exterminated by Biden. You are fucking ghoulish to think of 4 more years of this as "4 more years of time to organize while protecting minority lives" while he literally exterminated Palestinians. Are they being protected right now while we bomb them?
Those of us with humanity are already getting punished, it doesn't matter if you play by the rules. And again Palestinians are wiped out while you are concerned with playing by the rules.
You have no use to any movement leftward if you are willing to sacrifice the Palestinians "strategically", you are nothing but another second international offering up other people on a platter. Your "bargain" makes you the enemy of socialists just as much as a republican. Go bathe in Arab blood or whatever you do for fun, we want no part in it
Look, we can agree to disagree. Many of the counter-arguments here make sense, and I don’t disagree with them, although I still believe that voting for Biden is a survival mechanism for the left. We play with the cards we are dealt with.
Perhaps you have not seen my responses to some of the replies below, but I have literally said that I do not believe in electoralism: that is, withholding the votes or not is not going to change Biden’s genocidal policy that they have already committed to. In this case, voting is purely strategic that seeks to maximize the chances of survival for any nascent left wing movements in the US.
I support 100% the Palestinian people, I simply think withholding the vote for Biden isn’t going to change the needle. Sorry, the Biden administration is ghoulish and there is nothing you can do about it without a strong left wing movement that can actually exert real, material impact on the ruling class regime. And to get there, we need to build a left wing movement.
The first thing to admit is that none of the protests the Western left is doing is working, and you want to help the Palestinians and stop their genocide? You need a real movement to achieve that political goal, and not fantasy about how withholding your votes can somehow stop Biden’s policies - how is this not just a belief in electoralism in another form?
And you are not going to win me over with the moralizing argument. I am biased by the history of the Chinese communist movement. The CPC had to collaborate with the KMT to fight against fascist Imperial Japan - the very same KMT that had just massacred 95% of the communist party cadres during the Long March. Do you know how fucking humiliating that is to the communists at the time? But Mao was built different, he could see the bigger picture, and knew how to steer the weak movement towards survival, and ultimately victory over the much stronger KMT. This was how we won, and why China is ruled by the Communist Party today. If you don’t know how to survive and play the long game, you won’t even make it past the infant stage because the capitalist class will instantly choke the infant to death in the cradle.
Your argument falls apart because the KMT has already taken up arms against the IJA, proving that they refuse to be collaborators. And this is of course only the faction of the KMT led by Chiang Kai-Shek since the faction of the the KMT led by Wang Jingwei openly collaborated with the Japanese. If you want to say that the Democrats are like the KMT, then they are like the part of the KMT who were Japanese collaborators. Democrats and Republicans are part of the same government in the same way Japanese occupiers and Chinese collaborators were part of the same colonial government.
An actual equivalent of the KMT who fought against the Japanese in the US context would be something like the Nation of Islam. The NOI are hardly socialist and have Malcolm X's blood on their hands, but they also have pushed back against the national security state in a limited capacity. And they have their own paramilitary called the Fruit of Islam. This is why Kwame Ture always tried to build a united front between the NOI and other pan-Africanist groups. Various other lumpen groups like gangs could also have potential as unlikely allies in a united front.
If we want to actually use this chapter of Chinese history, this person is trying to be fucking Wang Jingwei. Or at best one of the right opportunists in the CPC who Mao purged during the Second Sino-Japanese War.
Mao wasn't supportive of the United Front for most of the time it existed. The Comintern had to drag him into it and he still kept sending urgent letters about how they needed to break with the KMT. The South Anhui Incident happened after Mao repeatedly warned about it. Mao and Enlai never fully got over what happened, and it wasn't just humiliation at the hands of the KMT, but at the fact that they had to obey the Comintern even when they felt that their mentality was still correct.
People tend to over sell the willingness to collaborate in a united front, but there is a decent amount of evidence that Mao was ready to kill Chiang in the Xi'an incident. According to Edgar Snow Mao was enraged at the order to let him go, and Enlai implies that it was out of discipline that they listened, not that they agreed (Snow's Private Notes on China pg 1-3 and Wu, The Sian Incident pg 101). But regardless, when the KMT did shit that was fascistic or collaborationist, you know what the CPC did? they fucking FOUGHT them. They did not maintain the alliance no matter what, they didn't simply play the long game like you want to imagine. They had lines and when those lines got crossed, they pushed back HARD.
When the KMT ordered both Communist armies to fall back to pre united front borders and surrender. Mao was requesting being allowed to do a preemptive strike as of November 7th 1940. Chiang assembled 200 thousand troops to invade CPC territory in preparation for an expedition if the 4th and 8th armies did not shrink and leave the front lines.
Mao then sent this in Jan of 1941 after the fight broke out
Even Dimitrov agreed with Mao's stance here after having said to avoid a rupture on Jan 4th, writing to Stalin that the United Front cannot exist under those conditions and concessions to Chiang must be halted until he acquiesces
Mao refusing to stand down, and essentially causing a break in the United Front by standing firm led to the KMT having to give up, save face, and embarrass itself as the response from everyone including the US per Roosevelts direct pressure was that Chiang was in the wrong. Mao did not simply play the long game and turn the other cheek like you are implying, the takeaway here is NOT that communists should go with the flow.
The Communist won the civil war in no small part because they gained overwhelming support from the populace after events like the South Anhui Incident. You are a fool if you think it is moralizing to say genocide is a line in the sand. If you were actually biased by the history of the Chinese Revolution you would see these examples of the Communists standing their ground and not putting adherence to a united front over what was the correct political and strategic line.
But even if none of this nuance existed that you are just overlooking and painting the Chinese perspective as a singular thing, that would still not change the fact that you are comparing combatting an active invasion alongside fellow countrymen with supporting genocide. You are talking about collaborating not just with people you hate, but with a holocaust as it happens. You are not the brilliant Chinese communist making the tough call in 1937, no you are a fool defending the outright slaughter of Palestinians and collaboration with fascist genocidaires. You are not Enlai, you are a fucking Iron Front member.
Again, enjoy the blood bath, plenty of time to think about the long haul while the corpses pile up around you. fascist fuck
“Just give me four more years of sharing tweets bro, I swear all those dead Palestinians are worth it bro”