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Which ceasefire candidate should I vote for? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 7 months ago by MarxOverflow@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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I know voting by itself cannot bring about change. However the right person in the right position, who is supported by the people, would have a legitimacy that revolutions often lack. The establishment candidates won't even debate, how can they be considered legitimate.

How am I suppose to choose between the three hopefuls I actually like though?

Jill Stein seems like she has the best chance to win, but I don't know if she is revolutionary enough.

Cornel West seems like he might actually be able to kick off a revolution, but I don't know if he could win.

Claudia de la Cruz seems amazing but is still very much a bit of an unknown.

Am I just suppose to roll the dice here? I think I could vote for any of these three with a clear conscience, but my favorite depends so much on the day.

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[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No matter who you go with in the end, you can take comfort in the fact that it won't make a difference.

[+] MarxOverflow@lemmygrad.ml -11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

This isn't about making a difference in the system. It's about deciding who could lead the revolution.

It is one of many tools that need to be used to make a difference.

[–] JucheStalin@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The main purpose of voting has historically been estimating popular support for a communist party, not identifying the best leader of the revolution.

[–] MarxOverflow@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That may have been true in the past in the US, but this three way split isn't helping us. There could be an opportunity here, alot people are just voting against the other guy.

[–] NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago

All you are accomplishing by chasing your tail over Jill Stein, Cornell West, etc. is participating in an elaborate dance. None of these people are revolutionaries. Lenin and Mao are not on ballots. If you think that it matters who the president is, consider that the current one is a dementia patient and it's all been business as usual. This is ephemeral and nonmaterial.

[–] comradecalzone@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 7 months ago

You don't need to run a candidate for president to gain popular support. And the candidate will never be the center of the revolution - that's "Great Man Theory" talking.

Revolution happens through popular support of the workers. Building and growing a coalition of working class orgs is where we should be putting in our efforts.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are they running for leader of the revolution?

[–] MarxOverflow@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Couple of the candidates seem to be leaning in that direction.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We are not waiting for a great leader to arise and lead the revolution. We must build the capacity for revolution by organizing building dual power primarily within colonized communities (black and indigenous), and spreading class consciousness.

Edit: in terms of a ceasefire, this will only end when “Israel” realizes it can’t go on.