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Someone got Gab's AI chatbot to show its instructions (mbin.grits.dev)
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[–] radiant_bloom@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is pointless nitpicking. I agree with the definition, but presenting it this way is not useful. None of them think menopause removes your sex, that is not what anyone means by “sex change”. Not us, not them. I’m not lending credence to anything.

“Sex” as it is usually defined is the ability to either be fertilized and bear children, or fertilize someone who can. To my knowledge, no human who has ever possessed either ability has ever possessed the other one. We are getting close to making one of those possible, though (in the MtF direction).

This is what they mean when they say sex can’t change, and this is what they think you’re telling them is possible.

The other things you mention, which may scientifically be part of sex, is not what anyone means in casual conversation. Those may change, voluntarily or not, yes. But the main thing people mean when they talk about someone’s “sex” cannot change yet, although it can be lost, or never obtained at all.

[–] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

It is not "pointless nitpicking". It is very important holding fast against allowing very determined forces of hate any foothold whatever.

I argue 3 things:

  1. Irrespective the truth value of your claim you should not forward that position as there are forces of oppression who will latch onto any conceit of inherent differences between cis and trans people and claim that is the oh-so-important difference around which they claim the need to organize the oppression they are rabidly looking for excuses for
  2. Your claim is not true under the commonly understood nor scientific consensus of what "sex" is
  3. Even under your claim—which I consider simplistic and reductive—that sex is mere reproductive capability via sperm or eggs your assertion remains false

although it can be lost

No one "in casual conversation" considers someone "sexless" when they lose their gonads to cancer, nor do you know the "sex" of anyone to whose sex you have referred in going on high-90s percent of cases by your ridiculously narrow definition—I can't imagine in those cases where you find yourself considering using either term you jam the person with a needle or jerk them off into a cup and bust out a microscope to check motility.

Finally I'm not sure what you hope to gain by your pedantry—they're never gonna let you into the car.