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[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Chinese EV makers, or Chinese-made EVs?

One is perfectly fine, reasonable, and logical, while the other is stabbing yourself in the foot because your friend asked you to.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

China does not do altruism. Their car manufacturers are owned and subsidized by the government. They're made to saturate and destroy markets with cheap goods, driving out the competition. Once there is no competition, they have the market to themselves and can manipulate as they see fit.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 months ago

Subsidized by the government like...

Tesla?

https://newrepublic.com/article/175397/teslas-cheaper-now-thanks-subsidies-musk-hated

https://qz.com/elon-musks-spacex-and-tesla-get-far-more-government-mon-1850332884

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-subsidies-tesla-billions-spacex-solarcity-2021-12

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html

https://www.govtech.com/policy/gov-newsom-says-california-subsidies-powered-teslas-success

Oh, sorry, you must have meant a traditional car manufacturer like Ford.

https://www.cbtnews.com/ford-scores-massive-9-2-billion-loan-for-electric-vehicle-batteries/

https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/news/ford-loses-billions-on-evs-despite-government-subsidies

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-13/ford-jobs-cost-414-000-apiece-as-fight-for-factories-takes-off

https://www.heritage.org/government-regulation/commentary/taxpayers-are-subsidizing-rich-electric-vehicle-owners-the-tune

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-factory-subsidies-are-much-higher-other-deals

Oh, you meant other traditional car manufacturers like GM who took government loans to bail them out from bankruptcy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/subsidies-supercharge-gms-ev-strategy-11668776501

https://www.energy.gov/articles/biden-harris-administration-announces-155-billion-support-strong-and-just-transition

https://www.mackinac.org/blog/2022/general-motors-should-not-get-soar-subsidies

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/19/bush-bails-out-us-automakers-dec-19-2008-1066932

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/11/13/what-did-america-buy-auto-bailout-and-was-it-worth-it/

Or maybe you meant non-American car manufacturers like Volkswagen?

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volkswagen-subsidy-cost-canada-c24-bln-more-than-forecast-2023-06-14/

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germany-has-subsidised-total-two-million-electric-cars

https://industryeurope.com/sectors/transportation/germany-to-double-ev-subsidies-as-vw-launches-car/

They're made to saturate and destroy markets with cheap goods, driving out the competition. Once there is no competition, they have the market to themselves and can manipulate as they see fit.

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