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Chinese EV makers won’t get subsidies from Mexico after US pressure (arstechnica.com)

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

I fucking love freedom and the free market 🦅🥲

[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

To be fair, this is denying government subsidies, which is more of a free market than giving subsidies. This is especially true for Chinese companies, since they are by definition state-owned.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is US car companies using their paid off politicians to make the US pressure another country into not making a deal that would increase competition in that market to their detriment .That's many layers of fuckery deeper.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 10 points 5 months ago

Is it that if they're just blocking the vehicles that are subsidized? Let's see what these EVs sell for without the Chinese government paying half the production costs.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

If they're blocking subsidized vehicles they'd have to block US companies

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

The subsidies in the US apply to companies of any nationality. The subsidies from China only cover companies controlled by the Chinese government.

[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Everything you said is true, except you are missing the context that this is for-profit US car companies not wanting to compete against state-owned car manufacturers who get all of their money from China and can take huge losses in order to outsell for-profit, private entities.

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[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Except every other company gets subsidies, so this is specific and not "fait market".

The current fair market for EV manufacturers includes getting a buttload of incentives from governments.

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago

There can be no market that is both "free" and "fair"

For a market to be fair there needs to be constraints in the right places

In this case the lack of constraints sufficiently restricting the ability for companies to pressure (read as bribe) politicians to push for a lack of subsides for specific sectors of an industry

[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

The key word there is "company." Chinese car manufacturers are not companies, they are the state-owned entities.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 points 5 months ago

These vehicles would also be eligible for those subsidies if they meet the criteria of being assembled from mostly North American parts. You're comparing subsidies available for every company meeting certain criteria (even these Chinese companies) versus subsidies available only to those companies owned by the Chinese government.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 31 points 5 months ago

At this point, with such low price points producing comparable quality, Chinese EVs don't need international subsidies to be able to expand their manufacturing.

It's still cheaper to buy imported Chinese EVs even with tariffs than to buy domestic EVs in most, if not all, countries.

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[-] capem@startrek.website 4 points 5 months ago

Fuck the united states.

[-] deafboy@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

and the subsidies.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Chinese EV makers, or Chinese-made EVs?

One is perfectly fine, reasonable, and logical, while the other is stabbing yourself in the foot because your friend asked you to.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

China does not do altruism. Their car manufacturers are owned and subsidized by the government. They're made to saturate and destroy markets with cheap goods, driving out the competition. Once there is no competition, they have the market to themselves and can manipulate as they see fit.

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