I’m still conflicted if it’s a good or a bad thing that the show is a hit. On the one hand, it’s nice that people are discovering the great storytelling and adventure that Fallout has to offer.

On the other hand, newcomers tend to… totally ruin the thing you’ve loved for decades. Especially if companies start chasing that group. So let’s all hope this doesn’t lead to watered down cash grabs, but instead lights a fire under development of good new proper Fallout titles. We’re looooong overdue.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 44 points 7 months ago (2 children)

On the other hand, newcomers tend to… totally ruin the thing you’ve loved for decades.

This is one of the most gatekeeping thing I've heard in a while. You don't want new people to discover something you like because they might like it differently.

So let’s all hope this doesn’t lead to watered down cash grabs

You mean more than the mobile game and Fallout 76?

[–] shani66@ani.social 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

But it's entirely true, popularity gives a creator way more leeway to get worse because the LCD doesn't give a shit. Not to mention the suits that are attracted to popularity, they take pleasure in ruining things. Then there is the fact that too many normies will ruin whatever culture exists besides the direct product.

Not that it matters for Bethesda, pretty sure they literally couldn't get worse at this point without falling through completely. They are the suits that ruined lefey's work!

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

I honestly don’t mind people discovering Fallout. Heck, I’ve bought and lent copies to people to get them interested in it.

But I’ve also been in gaming since the late ‘80’s, and I’ve seen franchises ruined because developers chased the mass market instead of sticking to what made their games popular in the first place.

People came to Call of Duty for tight, sweet multiplayer matches with a military aesthetic.

Nowadays it’s got silly battle royale modes which let you play as Snoop-Dogg, The Terminator or a Warhammer 40K character. It looks nothing like what the original games were. And as a result, the playerbase has declined and shifted towards casual.

Battlefield is a shell of its former self after they moved away from what made it good. Need for Speed games also suck because they chased the Fast and the Furious trend. Flight Simulator has become too mainstream leading to quality decline because developers chase casual players. And there’s numerous other examples of games moving towards a more casual, wider base. Usually because newcomers think the old gameplay is ‘boring’ or ‘too difficult’. Go talk to some Diablo veterans about their thoughts on IV…

And yes, as someone who’s been with Fallout since 1: 76 should never have been made. Fallout is a single player, story driven experience. And it should stay that way. The mobile game… I’d rather they put that effort into making a proper game.

[–] li10@feddit.uk 38 points 7 months ago

Fallouts always been one of those games that’s broken into the mainstream tho, I’d put it up there with COD and FIFA tbh…

This isn’t some sort of niche game that’s suddenly getting mainstream attention, if anything it’s always been a game for “casuals” (no offence intended, just can’t think of a better way to say it).

I’d say that the market being brought in is the one that Bethesda was aiming for since at least Fallout 4.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Eh, I'm just glad they didn't butcher it. We should be happy that other people have found something nice

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Eh, I'm just glad they didn't butcher it

Me too. I honestly expected them to give it the full Uwe Boll treatment (as in butcher it beyond recognition) and even my "pie i n the sky never gonna happen" hopes I'd dialed all the way down to it just being "pretty good".

Turns out that it's fucking magnificent! Probably the best sci-fi show since 3 Body Problem if not Westworld IMO!

So it's not ONLY with ulterior motives that I recommend that anyone currently trying to use Nexus Mods take a break to watch or rewatch the show, whether on Prime or through the High Seas 😉😁

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hope talk westworld season one and not season three.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Of course lol

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I couldn't agree more if I tried! Other than MAYBE slightly exaggerating the very real issue of newcomers ruining established stuff, you're pretty much spot on about all of it IMO.

I'm just crossing everything but The Streams that, after Nexus hopefully get sorted soon, we'll see all the positive possible effects you mention and little to none of the negative ones 😁🤞🤞🤞