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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Antisocial_Socialist@hexbear.net to c/hexbear@hexbear.net

db0 and Unruffled have both been banned for reactionary behavior and, in the case of the former, DM harassment.

Due to these irreconcilable differences we thought it only right to allow the community to weigh in on defederating immediately.

According to this person "tankie" is anyone that criticizes the privilege of white westerners in the imperial core who have been privileged and comfortable their entire lives off of the backs of colonized people.

Further context can be found in this thread

https://hexbear.net/post/2484423

As always, use dean-smile to vote for federation and dean-frown to vote for defederation.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

dean-smile

Have seen users from db0 genuinely learn about communism and radicalise because of their exposure to this space. Every single defederation reduces the number of people that get radicalised by our existence.

Flatworm is a dumbass though. Obligatory: https://clips.twitch.tv/SlickBigHorseCharlieBitMe-e2zKKUMBO_pVNOhd

Also recently came across Vijay Prashad talking about the word a while back: https://youtu.be/tsqE9kEsDVY

This is amusing because these people all love Chomsky and Prashad+Chomsky both work together, Prashad is unironically one of the people they would call tankie and the two have an extremely close relationship, literally writing books together. Prashad's institute (tricontinental) published this on China's Socialism 3.0

Just a few things to think about in case any of you db0 anti-tankie folks are lurking.

[-] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

excellent comment. Anti-tankie leftists would be wise to listen to what is being said by scholars of socialism and history from outside the western liberal/libleft bubble, because many of the things they get angry at us for are simply non-controversial to almost anyone in the world who isn't in that bubble. Even if they don't agree with us on everything, everyone who fights for a better world should be broadly on the same side. (and that isn't the side of Israel, NATO, etc.)

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

People protesting the US refusing to gtfo of Burkina Faso were waving Russian and North Korean flags. Anti-tankie leftists are just imperial core crackers with a huge white savior complex who think people of color should grovel on their knees for being saved by people of NATO.

[-] Lumun@lemmy.zip 21 points 4 months ago

Thanks for sharing these links. I'm another off-instance lurker who has learned a lot by browsing Hexbear posts. The comments here reinforce that y'all are being strategic with your federation choices, which is cool to see.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

I would be less strategic and more open but I am very thick skinned and willing to scrap endlessly with neoliberals if it radicalises just a few people. Unfortunately not everyone here has the same constitution.

I am quite glad that we do in fact reach some people. If you have any questions about communism, capitalism or anything at all my door is always open to people genuinely looking to learn.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago
[-] BennyHill@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

i started out on a reactionary instance and got radicalized by you guys. you should keep it up.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

I'm never averse to engaging with reactionaries. I have often found that younger people from republican families are easier to radicalise than younger people from democrat families, these young people are already anti-liberal and anti-media, a small amount of education connects the dots on how society actually functions for them that the conservative sphere isn't providing and suddenly they radicalise HARD.

Yeh the older reactionaries are more or less lost causes though.

What I would really like to create is a methodology for opening a Chomsky to fully Marxist pipeline. There's an absolutely huge number of soft-left Chomsky fans who are anti-tankie and breaking that down by focusing on the people Chomsky currently works with all being tankies and supporting China seems to have potential breaking that down. I think Chomsky himself agrees with those around him but feels pressure to not say it, but then again he hasn't really been shy about calling ukraine run by nazis and the media liars about the size of the nazi problem there... So maybe it's not about pressure. Hard to say.

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