Comradeship // Freechat

2165 readers

78 users here now

Talk about whatever, respecting the rules established by Lemmygrad. Failing to comply with the rules will grant you a few warnings, insisting on breaking them will grant you a beautiful shiny banwall.

A community for comrades to chat and talk about whatever doesn't fit other communities

founded 3 years ago

MODERATORS

felipeforte@lemmygrad.ml

How socially conservative are China and Vietnam, and how can they realistically become more progressive? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 6 months ago by fire86743@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

40 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] kredditacc@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Gender is a social construct often upheld by patriarchal societal standards. The being of a man or a woman comes with many societal expectations, and quite a lot of people don’t agree with that.

Do you mean "gender role"?

Patriarchal societies often have different expectations for people of different biological sex. A Confucian society would expect a man to follow the Son of Heaven and a woman to follow her father or husband. This is gender role, and gender equality means the abolishment of gender roles.

I don't think I can agree with conflating the concept of "gender" and "gender role".

Now, I only want to comment on the gender aspect as I am sure that you, master observer that you are, can acknowledge stuff like intersex people existing, who are born with both sets of genitals for example.

After some thought, I think I see your point. If one considers intersex a biological sex then their true gender should be separate from their sex. Is that what you were trying to convey?

Now, gender as we know it now has evolved in capitalist societies

Please tell me what the concept of gender was like in other societies. Be it Medieval Europe or Imperial China or whatever society you are familiar with.

Non binary people, for example, have been around since the beginning of mankind and have even been acknowledged by historic societies.

Please provide me documents. I may take my time to research them.

[–] PoisonIvy@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Please tell me what the concept of gender was like in other societies. Be it Medieval Europe or Imperial China or whatever society you are familiar with.

Please provide me documents. I may take my time to research them.

Leslie Feinberg's Transgender Liberation: A Movement Whose Time Has Come is an accessible entry point to this. It is available here and here in full.

I have a genuine question that I don't think I can phrase in a way that won't make me sound like a jackass: why not have started with this instead of after an entire thread's worth of claims and assertions to prove you don't actually know what you are talking about?

[–] kredditacc@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I had asked you guys to prove me wrong from the very first comment. Unfortunately, the answers I received are a bit unconvincing.

Maybe the document you provide can change my world view, but I must take my time to read it first.