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[–] wahming@monyet.cc 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's a problem with enforcement, not the law.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As I anticipated. Racism sucks

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Daily reminder that religion β‰  race

[–] solo@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It's intersectional.

It was coined in 1989 by professor KimberlΓ© Crenshaw to describe how race, class, gender, and other individual characteristics β€œintersect” with one another and overlap.

[Edit: Even tho race is not a scientific thing anymore, we had this narrative for so long that the term is still in use. At least it is used as a social construct. And we struggle as societies with racism. Still]

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

So?

Religion is a choice, an unverifiable one at that. There is no reason that such a choice should grant special privileges that someone non-religious, or of another religion would not be granted. Each such request must stand on its own merit.

In Europe the concept of freedom from religion is something that many different cultures have fought hard for - secularism.

[–] solo@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

What you say sounds brutal to me. The solution would be bridging the gap between theory and practice.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What about my statement is brutal? It's not the law at fault, the law is impartial about all religious symbols. The problem is the lack of equal enforcement. Which is essentially what you're saying in different words

[–] Landsharkgun@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My brother in nothing, enforcement is part of the law.

If you know a law will be applied unequally, don't pass the damm law.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

? The law has been around a century, current controversy is that it's not being applied equally

[–] Landsharkgun@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Right, so maybe if it's now being applied in a discriminatory fashion, it's now due for a change? My point is that enforcement of the law cannot be considered separate from the law. A law that cannot be enforced does nothing, and a law that creates discrimination in enforcement is a discriminatory law.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 1 points 6 months ago

Why would we discuss changing the law, rather than ensuring that it is applied indiscriminately? ANY law and punishment can be used to discriminate, and many are. By your logic if the police started prosecuting murderers in a biased manner, we should remove the law against murder.

[–] solo@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I've never heard of a "gentle enforcement of the law"?

Also, law enforcement often comes from the police. France is no exception to police brutality.

So it looks like we both agree on the principle, but we have very different ways of approaching a solution.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seems like I'm being attacked for something I didn't say. My statement was purely a very minor thing, about how the issue is enforcement, not the actual law. And I certainly did not imply anything with it, but it seems a lot is being read into those few words that were not at all intended

[–] solo@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago

I suppose if you feel this way, we better leave it here for today. Maybe if you take a look at this interaction of ours tomorrow, you will have a different point of view? At least I hope so.