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(Reuters) -Hopes are fading that Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and his foreign minister have survived a helicopter crash in mountainous terrain and icy weather, an Iranian official said on Monday after search teams located the wreckage. "President Raisi's helicopter was completely burned in the crash ... unfortunately, all passengers are feared dead," the official told Reuters.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago (4 children)

This will be hugely destabilizing. Terrible.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Possibly, but it's the president not the supreme leader. The President is the "Head of Government", but the Supreme Leader is Head of State so who knows how much this will actually shake things up

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Probably not at all. I'm no expert on Iran, but I'm pretty sure I've never heard about the president of Iran on the news at all. Ayatollah Khamenei, on the other hand, plenty of times.

[–] Omgarm@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What? The president is definitely mentioned in the news. The Ayatollah is more important but he doesn't do everything alone. Also this president was a candidate to be the next Ayatollah.

[–] AreaSIX@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

I agree, while the head of state is the more important and powerful position, the president certainly isn't exactly powerless and handles the day to day business of government. But calling the leader the Ayatollah is slightly misleading. While it's a requirement in the constitution that the head of state be an Ayatollah, Ayatollah itself is a religious rank, not a political one. So there are many Ayatollahs around, even more since the revolution as many believe that the rank has become somewhat inflated.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago

From other stuff I've read tonight, the pres and the SL were both pretty much sharing the sane agenda, so I really doubt this will shake stuff up, much.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate on why this would be destabilizing? I mean obviously the president dying is bad, but are there specific groups that are in positions to do anything to cause problems due to this? Wouldn't there be someone under him in the chain of command or another election that could be held?

I do not know very much about Iran's internal politics beyond a basic synopsis, I'm just looking for some info.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Depends on the circumstances of why the helicopter crashed. If it was an accident, some maintenance issue, pilot error or medical emergency or something, then it won't be too bad.

If there's some evidence of sabotage or a deliberate attack then hold onto your hat because prime suspect #1 is going to be the Mossad.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago

This is how I see it too. It’s probably not gonna be a huge deal in the long run, unless there is evidence of sabotage. I suppose it’s also possible that they could pretend to have evidence if they’re looking for a casus belli, but based on recent events I don’t think they’re looking to escalate if they don’t feel they have to.

[–] Dempf@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Spoiler for Homeland TV show

! Reminds me of the last season of Homeland

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Supporting mass murderers in the name of "stability" is just supporting mass murderers.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] aniki@lemm.ee -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

All the people who will suffer and probably die as a result of the instability. Do you think that the world gets better when evil men die?

[–] Llewellyn@lemm.ee -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Likely.

Germany ended just fine after Hitler demise.

But you probably mean very near future.

[–] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

They actually spent quite a few years (50, give or take a few) snapping back so hard the other direction the government was taking children from non-native Germans and giving them to pedophiles to rape for their whole childhood. So yes Hitler dying was good but instability will most always lead to more suffering.

Edit: Source

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

So you are arguing that things would be better off if Hitler had won? That's your actual, sincere argument here? That evil people exist, but killing them results in geopolitical instability so it is terrible when they die?

And you're citing some fringe pedophile psychologist the 60's? I know that you literally just learned about him here on Lemmy because a post about him recently went viral too. Absolutely nothing about the wiki suggests that Hitler's death had anything to do with his disturbed experiments.

Fuck that. Kill fascists. The constant right-wing deferral to pedophilic disgust is a tactic most of us recognize now. Your weird defense of Hitler here is just an especially egregious example of this.

[–] Llewellyn@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

I don't think he's defending Hitler.

[–] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Never said that, I wish Hitler was killed much sooner. Germany wasn't just perfectly fine after though, obviously agreed it was better than nazi germany, but issues arise out of instability. Which was being denied.

And I'm less concerned about what this weird pedo was doing individually, moreso the government corruption that allowed for it and many similar cases for decades. But I guess you don't want to protect children from rapists

[–] aniki@lemm.ee -4 points 6 months ago

Terrible? What the fuck is wrong with you?