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The hush money one is the first one to actually go to trial, so it's mostly that. The documents case is basically suppressed until they can somehow get rid of this judge, and the other 2 cases are also being held up in places.
The hush money case isn't likely to put him in prison though, I don't think there's any precedent of a politician going to prison for that. And of course there's going to be appeals that can easily push it until past November.
There's plenty of precedent for locking people up when the steal classified documents. It doesn't matter if they're a politician.
By 'this one', I meant the hush money case. I agree that the documents case is the most serious one (and also deliciously ironic given his 2016 criticism of Hillary's classified emails).
I apologize for misinterpreting your comment.
I edited it because it was ambiguous, no need to apologise.
It's my understanding that there's a pretty ironclad contract between the government and a cleared individual. This is really just a matter of enforcement, and it's hard to see how this isn't one of the most brazen and extensive cases of mishandling classified material. Better people have gone to prison for a lot less, so I say again: no justice.
I have known of people getting dishonorable discharges for simply looking at classified information they were not supposed to, careers over due to misunderstanding or picking a document up after an accident.
If someone other than Trump had all these documents they would be gone from the earth. We would never hear from them again as the FBI went through their life to figure out who else was involved and how they got away with boxes of these documents.
Literally just ready an article this morning that a Navy seaman got 18 years in prison for leaking information after being socially engineered by a foreign agent.
I was in for ten years, and a battle buddy of mine was telling me about a soldier in his platoon who got the other than honorable discharge over classified stuff.
Here is what happened: car accident on post, stuff is all over the intersection. The guy is an E5, already deployed once, is by all means upper crust for a career. One of the people in the accident was the G2. The E5 sees there are classified documents. Calls it in, but decides to help out and scoops them all up into a neat little pile and secures them in his vehicle. He then sits in his vehicle so they are secure.
This is entirely against what he should have done as there was no risk the documents would have blown away. The only reason he didn’t get prison time was due to having an ArCom for Valor. But he is gone and his army career was over at that point for mishandling - simply mishandling - classified documents.
Trump has fucking pallets of them, and “oh gosh, what do we do? UwU it’s sooo tricky!!”
Wait, what did the E5 do wrong? Should have left it out in the intersection?
I think the big thing was him being alone in the car with all of it.
I don’t know what to do in that situation to be honest, but it’s probably a “secure the scene and make sure no one goes in or out” type of deal.
The Supreme Court may well just decide that Trump has absolute immunity, depending on what their pay masters tell them to do.
And it is going to get overturned on appeal. It was an obvious political trial with a judge that donated to Biden, his daughter was bringing in millions because of the trial and the prosecutor ran for office pledging to take down Trump. That's why Trumps bringing in record donations from small donors now.
And I'm sure you're equally as concerned about the conflict of interest from a judge that Trump appointed overseeing one of his trials, right? Surely you are of the opinion that Cannon should have recused herself at the very beginning, right?
You will, of course, get NoSuchAnswer.
Nor agency. Not with Trump's hand up their arse.
No, they have no such agency to go against their god emperor.
*crickets chirping*
Absolute dumbass commentary. The jury decided the case, not the judge. Trump literally had no defense to the allegations other than bald denials. The evidence that he did the crimes was written in paper and undeniable.
You're just buying everything the MSM is selling, hook line & sinker. They wouldn't let Trump have much of a defense. They wouldn't even let an expert witness testify for the defense. And sure, the jury decides the case based on the instructions given by the judge and this is the only time a judge has ever given instructions like the ones in this case. You really don't know much about the justice system if you believe that the judge in a case doesn't play a major role in how a case is decided.
I don't watch "MSM." I read legal filings.
Maybe you should learn to read.
I am an attorney, a trial lawyer.
Yeah, but you didn’t read this particular article posted on a random website by a guy who said he totally knows, and that makes him more qualified than all of us here.
Dude, you're in a cult. And your leader is a criminal.
Where are you getting information from?
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Tune in tomorrow for how we explain how NASA spies on your poop!
I read the instructions, so I guess the judge in this case
No, that's not correct. You are receiving delusional propaganda about disallowing expert witnesses from somewhere. Where is that from?
Bradley Smith was definitely allowed to testify as an expert, but the defense declined to call him. Here, since you like pretending to have read things direct from the court. He was not allowed to show up and instruct the jury, which is the same as decided in the prior cited cases in NY and OH.
Where is your delusional propaganda from? The things you are claiming are lies that Donald has been tweeting. So perhaps your delusions are coming direct from the source: a lifelong con man and fraud who committed election interference in 2016.
"I direct you back to page three of my decision," Merchan said, reiterating that Brad Smith could testify as to what the FEC is, its purpose, background, what laws if any FEC is responsible for enforcing and general definitions and terms that relate to this case, including contribution and expenditure. So he was only allowed to testify the definition, purpose, and backround of the FEC which would be pointless really.
Here, just read Brad Smiths own words and you'll see why the defense didn't call him. The judge wouldn't let him explain the law...he would only let him give a general definition.....https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/key-trump-witness-nixed-after-merchans-stringent-rulings-reveals-what-his-testimony-would-have-been/ar-BB1mNALM
No, that's an MSM. I don't want any news from a lying MSM.
Don't know what to tell you. It's his own words so if you'd rather it be someone else speaking for him then go for it
No, the article is clear he was allowed to discuss facts about the law, he was disallowed from presenting his opinions as if they were facts. So they declined to have him.
You are delusional and in a cult, which is why you won't explain where you are getting your information from. You are getting it from liars and other cult members.
Sorry, didn't realize you couldn't read
Don’t a lot of people run for office on a platform of arresting and convicting people who commit crimes, though? Or am I missing something?
Drain the spaghetti??
No, they run on stopping actual crime, not going after a particular person
You mean like the crime of selling classified documents for money?
Yeah, you mean the classified documents Biden took as a Senator and sold them to his book writer?
Uh-huh.
What a bunch of bullshit.
What's it like living in your world?
You Americans are fucking wild right now. I hope you have a civil war to sort this shit out proper, like you did with slavery.
Yeah, that won't happen, they've got such a stranglehold on surveillance in this country, it would never get off the ground and things are just going to get worse. Most younger people and some older people to either keep their face buried into their phones on Facebook or Tiktok propaganda machines or they just buy into everything the MSM tells them so until we fix that stuff there's really no hope of things getting better
You still never shared what website you get your information and news from.
A lot of places
Fake News™!!!1!!1!
Which is…?
ATFQ.
"Do your own research"