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[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

government straight up saying that you don’t own any of your money anymore

What are you referencing here?

I feel like I should be recognizing some specific thing here, but I can't figure it out.

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Well it's third world problems, but the specific event I had in mind was when Russia froze all it's citizen's foreign assets in 2022 in an attempt to save it's own currency from plummeting. This left a lot of people stranded, myself included. I did eventually get mine out, but the law, as far as I know, is still in place, so I tend to think it was purely by luck and some mistake on the bank's side. Others didn't have it that lucky, I've heard of people being fined as much as $400 for just trying. But, it's just one case, I believe there's lots of other places where you just can't trust the government with money - African, South American, Central Asian countries first come to mind. Even Canada had a scandal where they froze COVID protesters assets - I don't support the cause, but I don't think the government should have power over dissenters assets either.

Sure, offshore accounts and physical assets can work in those cases too, but it can be challenging to get a hold of them as an ordinary citizen. Crypto circumvents that by being uncontrollable by design and widespread enough that I can exchange it in some back alley in one place and then again in another with less risk and overhead than any other way.

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Ah, that all makes sense. I live in the US, so I'm looking at it from that lens.

don’t think the government should have power over dissenters assets

Agreed, but this is a thorny problem. Clearly the government has a legitimate cause to freeze some assets in some cases (obvious example: US govt freezing Osama bin Laden's accounts). This becomes an abuse-of-power question, then. Unfortunately, we as humanity don't have a good answer to it.

third world Russia

Technically, Russia would be second world :)

I do think cryptocurrencies fall short of the promise/hype with the exchange problem -- either there's a big bank-like clearinghouse that the government can target with freeze orders, or you're in "You have to know a guy who knows a guy" territory when it comes time to actually use the cryptocurrency. I can't pay my mortgage by transferring Bitcoin or Ethereum to my bank.