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Are you claiming Hitler never said anything sensible? It would be impressive for someone to do such a thing. Sure, he said a lot of bad stuff, but you sure nothing he said was correct?
Anything Hitler said that wasn't horrible was also said by multiple other people. The only reason to defend Hitler with the phrasing the horse does is to try to make Hitler look like he might be reasonable as a way to suggest maybe his horrible stuff was also reasonable.
It's also worth doing to see HOW he got to power. He successfully convinced a large number of sensible people to support him. He also successfully rebooted Germany back to a superpower.
As the phrase goes, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Understanding how Hitler managed to look reasonable to do many is critical to stopping future Hitlers.
"Where will he go next? This phantom from another time, this resurrected ghost of a previous nightmare. Chicago? Los Angeles? Miami, Florida? Vincennes, Indiana? Syracuse, New York? Anyplace, everyplace, where there's hate, where there's prejudice, where there's bigotry. He's alive. He's alive so long as these evils exist. Remember that when he comes to your town. Remember it when you hear his voice speaking out through others. Remember it when you hear a name called, a minority attacked, any blind, unreasoning assault on a people or any human being. He's alive because, through these things, we keep him alive."
- Rod Serling, The Twilight Zone, He's Alive
You could say he made Germany great again. For a while anyway.
There's a huge push to simplify a lot of history from that era. Probably because there's a lot of uncomfortable things that actually happened. It's way easier to say nazis bad and Hitler dumb, than confronting that nazi Germany was economically superior to most of Europe at the time. That a huge amount of nazi policies enjoyed popular support globally. That holocaust included, the nazis really weren't that bad compared to Japan/USSR during the same period.
Were with you up to that bit with holocaust. Do not lessen what germany did, even if by trying to point out similiary evil stuff was happening.
The "Jewish relocation" was wrapped up in a lot of pretty lies to get the German people to swallow it. Thankfully, the people at the time realised the need to document exactly how fucking bad it actually was. Otherwise, we would have a lot of people arguing that it "wasn't actually that bad".
It's an uncomfortable truth how well they camouflaged what they were doing, and how easily the German people (and the rest of the world) accepted it.
Richard Nixon advocated for UBI but that doesn't negate every horrible thing he did. What's the point of saying Hitler said reasonable things other than thinly veiled fascist apologia?
If you ignore the good, you ignore how fascism gains power. Hitler made Germany better for a majority the citizens than any other European country. The difference was also far greater than just stealing wealth from jews. Failing to confront and acknowledge this allows fascists to succeed. You don't fight fascism by punching them, you fight them by making a country pleasant enough to live in that the masses don't listen in the first place.
Why not both?
Punching Nazis is also pretty effective. The OG Nazis were beaten through superior force, not rhetoric.
Plenty of Germans punched nazis, it didn't stop them from rising. Removal of them is different than preventing their rise in the first place. Kind of like pests, you don't tent a house to prevent termites.
I'm pretty sure it's because the bad points far outweighs the good points, therefore canceling them.
The only good thing Hitler ever did was becoming fertilizer. We only wished he did it sooner.
Don't forget he also killed Hitler!
Oh snap. He did two good things.
Is there a point that you are making here? Are you unhappy that the single panel of a comic does not describe Hitler with enough nuance and defail? Or that it may paint him in an undesirable light due to it's brevity? Were you looking for a disclaimer below the panel to kill it's own punchline and say 'actually Hitler did occasionally say something correct in his life'?
I know it's hard to convey tone through words but I am genuinely baffled as to what you were looking for.
In what world is talking about Hitler's "good points" in any way, shape or form not a gateway to try and sell the rest of his ideas?
I guess that's the slippery slope fallacy right there. I wasn't trying to say that most of things he did weren't bad, but no one is black or white.
Understanding underlying causes? On Lemmy? Abso-fucking-lutely not!
If you like strudel and Hitler liked strudel, then you're Nazi by default. That's just simple logic.
I was pretty sure this post would attract absolutely fucking braindead takes from reich-wingers and enlightened centrists, and here you are
So much for your assumptions. I'm just a person who can see that people aren't black and white, and while Hitler did mostly bad things, no one doesn't have any good qualities.
That's supposed to convince people you're not a braindead enlightened centrist?
The point of the meme isn't "Hitler literally never said anything good or had any good qualities" you utter fucking cabbage
He basically did only bad things for Germany and the world. From the get go.
Are you aware of what's happening in Germany right now?
We're witnessing the same as with the MAGA movement right now. Millions of people from the ex-GDR chose to elect the far-right extremist AfD into the EU parliament. Millions of them Gen-Zs who were allowed to vote for the first time at the age of 16. They were mobilized by AfDs strong TikTok game and their parents who clapped when refugee homes burned in the 90s.
Most of the people of east Germany are as lost as MAGAs when it comes to reintegration into society. Most of the 25M of people with immigration background are way better integrated.
One of the key figures of the AfD Björn Höcke wrote articles praising the Nazis under the moniker Landolf Ladig. He said in an interview with Wallstreet Journal "You know a great problem is that we depict Hitler as the absolute evil".
In addition the magazine correctiv.org uncovered a Wannsee-Conference 2.0 at the beginning of the year organized by another Austrian neo-nazi and members of the high society and AfD in which the planned the mass deportation of immigrants when AfD will come into power. Those immigrants are the back bone of many societal branches like health care.
The man suffered from chronic flatulence. Yes, he had uncontrollable farts. I'm not making this up. You really think someone who shit themselves that often had anything valuable to say?
Hey now, I've got chronic diarrhea due to autoimmune bullshit and I've shat myself a couple of times in the past few months, and I occasionally have something valuable to say. Granted it's not very often, but still
Well I'm sorry for sounding ignorant, but have you murdered millions?