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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The JWST can observe information from ~13B years ago due to the limited speed of light. It’s not impossible to suggest we could find evidence of the beginnings of existence with optics.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I never said we couldn't. But even if we found the cause of the existence of everything (assuming there was one), and it wasn't god, its still impossible to rule out that God just set all of that into motion. The likelihood gets smaller and smaller, and god's influence gets smaller and smaller, but its physically impossible to actually disprove it. There will always be a smaller hole for a creator-being to crawl into. Which is why "nobody has disproved god" is a meaningless sentence.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Proving god exists would only benefit those who are attempting to convince others of the existence of god. I’m only defending the possibility of existence against gnostic atheists that claim to be citing science is the “burden of proof” argument. I believe the stance of a true scientist is that of an agnostic atheist. All possible explanations remain available until more evidence is discovered.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I agree completely. I'm an agnostic atheist myself. I believe it is highly unlikely a god exists, but outright claiming absolutely no gods exist is a positive claim that also requires evidence if you wish to convince others. It's not a stance I'm willing to take.

That said, I'm very willing to make the positive claim that certain gods do not exist. The christian god, for example, at least as described in the bible, is so logically inconsistent that I am willing to take a hard atheist stance on its existence and say outright I believe it does not exist.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Sure. A logic proof can discredit the claim that god is both all powerful and all good.