I think that you are not interested in peace in the first place but in Russia winning (correct me if I'm wrong). You have right for your own vision for reality (at least in some countries...).

I don't to want to try to change your mind but at least take into consideration that this whole conflict is not as black and white situation as you trying to show. There is no such thing as the objective truth. And everybody lies at least at some degree.

I just hope this war and war in Gaza end soon and everyone just will try to live in peace.✌️

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

I think that you are not interested in peace in the first place but in Russia winning (correct me if I’m wrong). You have right for your own vision for reality (at least in some countries…).

I'm explaining to you that there is no reality where Russia does not win this war. This is has been understood by anybody with a functioning brain even before this war started. Plenty of people in the west warned against NATO expansion into Ukraine precisely for this reason. Here is what Obama had to say on the subject all the way back in 2016:

Obama declares Ukraine to be not a core American interest and that he is reluctant to intervene in the country, because Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there. “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.”—President Obama

https://www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2016/03/the-obama-doctrine-the-atlantics-exclusive-report-on-presidents-hardest-foreign-policy-decisions/473151/

People who still can't understand that the west can't defeat Russia in Ukraine are simply not engaging with the real world.

I don’t to want to try to change your mind but at least take into consideration that this whole conflict is not as black and white situation as you trying to show. There is no such thing as the objective truth. And everybody lies at least at some degree.

There absolutely is such a thing as objective material reality, but you are correct that everybody views reality through their own subjective lens. That doesn't mean that objective reality doesn't exist however, or that people can't come to a consensus on what is actually happening in the world.

In case of the war of Ukraine, regardless of what people believe currently, they will eventually be forced to grapple with the fact that the west lost the war. And I sincerely hope that at that point at least some introspection will happen from people who've been cheer leading the war from the western side. I hope you will ask yourself what this was all for, and whether it would've been better to avoid the war.

The genocide in Gaza is incidentally another example of an atrocity directly facilitated by the US. The only reason Israel is able to conduct mass murder is thanks to material support and political cover that US provides. This makes the US a direct participant in the genocide.