Yes, proles. Give up your only means of fighting back. We promise your right to vote is strong enough to protect you from anything. The government that can’t keep its own cops under control will save you. Trust big brother.

Fucking delusional.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

What's fucking delusional is thinking that a bunch of civilians armed with handguns and rifles could ever match a modern military should it come to violent revolution or, alternatively, that arming civilians with the kind of weaponry that WOULD do the trick isn't just a recipe for needless slaughter.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 8 points 5 months ago

It's not actually about winning against the military. The civics justification for having guns is to make harassment campaigns more accessible when necessary. (Any sustained resistance resistance campaign would have to have outside supply lines.) No modern rebel group has taken on an established military on equal footing. The goal is to make oppressing the population extremely annoying, not to actually be in control yourself. In order to actually run a government you need a different set of skills than to run a resistance campaign, but a resistance campaign might become necessary until we can restore the government to a just one.

There's other justifications for individual ownership of firearms, but that's the one most similar to what you're thinking of.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

What’s fucking delusional is thinking that a bunch of civilians armed with handguns and rifles could ever match a modern military should it come to violent revolution

You just have to make it expensive enough that the military doesn't want to fight, and you need to have enough of the civilian population on your side that the gov't can't control them, too. As the gov't commits atrocities against its' own people in an attempt to crush a rebellion, it ends up creating more ideological rebels.

And anyways, you'll note that the US has tended to get pretty fucked up when dealing with insurgencies and guerilla warfare where it can't leverage air superiority. How many, say, Air Force pilots do you think will start refusing orders when they find out that their last 'precision bombing' run killed 150 children in a hospital?

[–] jaspersgroove@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, so the only other option is to roll over, give up your freedom, and trust the government to protect you from everything. Solid logic there.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope, it categorically isn't. That's a strawman/false dichotomy combo so ridiculous that I doubt you're actually sane enough to be entrusted with any weapon more dangerous than a camping spork.

[–] jaspersgroove@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well I could show you my gun collection but at this point I’m fairly certain that you would just shit yourself in fear.

Anyway, have fun being unarmed with the state of the world today. The far right will continue stockpiling weapons and you’ll be knocking on the doors of guys like me if and when they finally decide to use them.

That’s the thing that you’re not getting bud. The far right isn’t going to be using their guns against the military or the government. They’re going to be using the guns against us.

[–] match@pawb.social 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

statistically speaking that gun is going in your own mouth before you ever use it to serve your community

[–] jaspersgroove@lemm.ee -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Statistically speaking (and assuming you’re an American) you are an overweight 40-something hermaphrodite with some college education, who has 1.8 children and is going to die of congestive heart failure.

There are three kinds of untruth. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Well I could show you my gun collection but at this point I’m fairly certain that you would just shit yourself in fear.

Typical ammosexual trait: can't distinguish between common sense and cowardice 🙄

Anyway, have fun being unarmed with the state of the world today.

Thanks, I am and so is the vast majority of people in a radius of 1000+ miles from me.

The far right will continue stockpiling weapons

Because ridiculously lax laws and even more lax enforcement allows them to. They're like politicians with bribes in that aspect.

you’ll be knocking on the doors of guys like me if and when they finally decide to use them.

Nah, I think I'll just wait indoors until someone much more emotionally stable deals with it after your Rambo wannabe antics have gotten you killed.

The far right isn’t going to be using their guns against the military or the government. They’re going to be using the guns against us

And why is that? Because of the lack of laws, regulations, and enforcement. Not because wannabe tough guys like you don't have enough penis extenders that go boom.

That’s the thing that you’re not getting, "bud"

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

My brother in christ fascist won't hesitate to kill you if you stand in their way. I am not gonna stand in their way without the means to defend myself because I am not suicidal. Forces of reaction WILL have weapons and they WILL use them. You aren't going to convince the fascist to take their own guns away from them through voting

[–] jaspersgroove@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago

lol

[–] boatsnhos931@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago

You are just going to wait indoors 🤣 🤣🤣🤣 which one of the three little pigs are you?

[–] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

A lot of people are in the military for economic reasons; I don't think a lot of them would turn on the fellow members of their class. Police, on the other hand...