Your life is a painful mess and you’re generalising that to everyone. I’m sorry you’re unhappy about your life, but that really isn’t an argument about other people having children.

Life can be painful, it can be beautiful, it can be dull or exciting, or anything in between. It’s not inherently negative or positive, as you’re claiming.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The point is lost on you. I genuinely hope your kid has a good life, but I personally would never gamble someone else's life for my own selfish wants, and I can't reconcile others decisions to do so either.

[–] randomname01@feddit.nl 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But you’re basing that on your own negative experiences in life, and you’re acting like they’re objective and universal.

Also, by that logic you shouldn’t do anything that could potentially cascade into making someone else unhappy, which would be absolutely debilitating.

Don’t get me wrong, I get that you should think twice, thrice and even more about having kids, especially if you’re not in a position to give them a good life and/or if you have certain heritable issues. But your overall position seems overly negative and, idk, somewhat misanthropic? In your worldview humanity should just stop existing because people can be unhappy in life. It’s overly reductive and negative to me.

[–] msage@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Everybody is basing their opinions on their own experience.

I find it hilarious that you can argue your own experience is any different.

To better explain the argument: they are not saying "it's 50:50 the child will suffer", they mean "there is obviously a non-zero chance that children will suffer", which is absolutely true. It's up to the individual to consider their situation (money, time, temper, parental knowledge, genetic diseases etc) to gauge how much more may their children have it worse than average.

And I would say that many children do indeed suffer, and many don't have the conditions that I personally would consider ideal.

But having a child is always on their respective parents. Morality won't change their minds.

[–] randomname01@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago

They’re saying life is miserable, I’m saying it’s not inherently miserable. Like, that’s not a subjective take lol.

Also, what about my comment made it seem like they said it was 50/50? And even if I thought that’s what they said, how does that invalidate my argument?

Even in my comment I acknowledge there are multiple reasons not to have children, so I really don’t understand what you’re arguing against.