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I feel like they’ve become extremely explicit with their contempt for the working class this past year alone, outright stating their motivations and plans and yet so many still either turn a blind eye, refuse reality, or comply with the capitalists. It’s gotta be due to generations of propaganda because looking back the people weren’t nearly as obedient and patriotic.
For my family, they see how we are treated but have the attitude of “that’s just how it is” and when I argue against that they get mad at me.
@SpaceDogs I don't the term "capitalists" is what you want here. I think it's "oligarchs" or "wealthy fascists." And it's not just the working class they despise, it's women, LGBTQ folks, the disabled, the elderly, the poor, people with different religion or skin color. Let's be honest, it's white Christofascists we need to worry about. And they hate EVERYBODY. Even the other species we share the planet with.
Anything else is just sugar coating and taking the focus away of the class struggle, which is the one that fundamentally matters.
Its not about religion, gender, sexuality, or any oppressed minority. It's all about the capitalists, the rich minority that controls the means of production, artificially seeding dissent in the working class so that we fight between each other instead of against them.
It is all about the capitalists, and they use religion and stupidity to drive fascism into trying to crush intellectuals and revolutionaries that could actually create better conditions for everyone.
@nephs Fuck your class struggle, which was created and described by white colonialists at a time when they didn't think POC deserved even basic human rights. If you can't see that the past X years of life on this planet have been about looking for scapegoats, and scapegoats are ALWAYS the DIFFERENT ones, i.e., women, BIPOC, LGBTQ folks, disabled folks, and the elderly, I'm not going to be part of your revolution.
I understand your rage. Just please, try to push your knowledge a little deeper.
Not all white individuals are colonialists, and I'm not a white person, by the way.
Some individuals, sure, white, I'd give it to you, did describe it. But those individual intellectuals were the counter-thinkers to white colonialists. Would you agree with me about it?
Scapegoats are always different. And the individuals directing the public opinion, the people you just called colonialists, we, here, at lemmygrad, call capitalists. They are the same. The rich minority, controlling the means of productions and the public opinion thought the media they control, creating escape goats, one at a time. That's one of the products of fascism. The capitalists are just above it, seeding and using fascism against the minorities your mention.
Fascism is stupidity and ignorance. The capitalists are the brains behind it, using it to their advantage.
We hate the same people, me and you, we just call them different names. But you don't have to, they have been the same for a good while, let's just agree with a precise definition and terminology to avoid raging at the abstract.
Rage at the specific! It's hard, that's why we write so much! And that's why we call them capitalists.
@nephs Look, racism has been around WAY longer than class struggle. You don't want to call them capitalists. Even Mao made a distinction between national capitalism and compradore capitalism. I don't hate anybody. I know my enemies are not the people who want to start their own businesses. They are the people who want to deny any good things to the people they don't like. Socialism hasn't cured racism or sexism in >100 years. Get real. It never will.
Every socialist nation is against racism.
And cuba, for example, has the new family code.
Read about them before you make assumptions.
I can agree racism exists before capitalism.
I can agree socialism isn't the cure for racism or sexism. And I believe everyone in this forum will condemn any form of socialism that marginalises minorities, either for race, or gender, or any other oppressed minorities.
"socialism" without concern for minorities drifts into the authoritarian regimes we know are shit. But also, minority fights without class theory will just make a few individuals from each minority group slightly better, without actually improving material life conditions for most, if not all, people.
But... I mean, I'm just kind of freestyling the theory I "know". Fuck racists, fuck capitalists, fuck racist capitalists and capitalist racists. :)
Read on Authority (it's like a page long)
A link for the masses: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
My argument was not against authority, my argument was against oppression against minorities.
Which concepts would you use to make the argument against oppressing minorities?
The parallel I was trying to draw was about minority abstract fights, without class theory becomes identitarism. But a "socialist" fight without concern for minorities, runs the risk of becoming fascism, on the limit, running purely on dogma, tradition, majority, and rigidity.
Is that disagreeable? Am I mixing up concepts? What am I missing?
@nephs Fuck all those people, but the fact is, we won't get rid of racism with socialism. We need to START by getting rid of ISMs. Period.
Le 'apolitical' Centrist has arrived
Having read all your other comment, I will now ask. What is your solution? You say socialism can't solve racism. Okay, let's go from there. What can solve it? How do we get rid of ISMs? How do we deal with the aforementioned christofascists? How do we stop the scapegoating of LGBTQ, BIPOC, women and elderly?
What is your proposed solution?