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So where exactly is the line between morphine and opium? As a native American, i can say that my people have used many drugs traditionally for the betterment of our people, as have many cultures around the world. Medicine is distinct and separate from abuse in our culture, as even staples can be abused (eg too much food makes one fat). Is there a specific historic reason for these drugs to be specifically banned or are you just following the popular modern sentiments?
Where in the post and my comments have I said to ban these substances? I find it frustrating that people come to me and mention so-and-so substance can have medicinal properties, because I understand this concept, but I'm assuming this type of medicine is prescribed by a certified doctor or therapist, and not by random people on the internet just because they use it in their culture or country.
You made the mistake of assumption. Your post specifically bans discussion around these substances in a positive light, which is why I specifically brought up morphine. Nobody is going to argue that morphine isnt an incredibly valuable medical discovery in the context of modern medicine, but that discovery came from opium, which definitely has some extremely negative implications where China is concerned. For all that tobacco causes cancer, it also reduces stress and provides a mild stimulant. Sometimes, that's important. Further, medicine is constantly evolving. People in Berkeley, CA seem to think that even psychotropic mushrooms have medical value. While that's not my cultures approach to the subject, we still believe some of the same things, even if we got there by very different paths.
Idk overall you seem too emotionally invested in this argument to handle this topic with any kind of impartiality.
Why did you bring up morphine, to prove that we should be able to discuss morphine or related substances outside the context of medical use or research?
Morphine is medicine. Nobody is going to argue that it's a drug with no medical use. Opium is a lot harder to argue for, but it's still a valid argument because that history is important to the medical context of morphine. "Drugs are bad" is a really immature and shortsighted stance to take when the relationship between drugs and medicine is such a complex interplay with all kinds of overlap.
And that's ignoring the extremely important cultural context associated with using drugs OR medicine throughout the history of China, let alone other countries.
I'm not even trying to ratio you here. You're doing it to yourself.
Discussing how a psychoactive drug is used regularly and ritualistically would fall into "neutral or positive", no? As the rule is phrased, it doesn't matter how the drug is procured.
See my latest improvement to the rule that attempts resolve this disparity between different cultures, which includes a modification of your last suggestion: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5205977/4756875