Ultra leftists, who seek realization of leftist ideals immediately, and following absence of that judge countries extremely harshly. Like to circlejerk around value form presence and state capitalism.

While I’m sympathetic to their critique of production, the countries themselves don’t claim to have achieved socialism (neither user nor china nor cuba have claimed to be socialist economy countries), and thus it’s kinda shitting on wrong grounds. they are frequently promoted by cia, as “see socialists don’t think it’s socialist”. I get why it happens and there is no other avenue, but it’s just unwise at this point after ussr fall