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Online Party Discipline? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by urshanabi@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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Hello comrades, I read a comment on a post either on lemmygrad or hexbear talking about how most discourse happening was of poor quality and indicative of a lack of genuine leftist groups in the imperial core. Basically if there were patty's with some teeth they would enforce party discipline and education and that would lead to higher quality discourse online.

I also read some of Lenins2ndcat's comments which were very patient when they were interacting with users from other communities.

Is there anyway to work on like, an online party discipline? Or like having users who are very good at discussing with libs have a more concerted approach to their interactions? It really seems that much of us are often too aggressive and meme-y and as fun as that is it really isn't productive.

I get that this isn't how praxis or anything happens, it seems more like the way we engage could be more productive and fruitful in the long term and considerations like this might go a long way.

TL;DR Planned economy but for memeposting

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[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

there will no socialist revolution within the imperial core.

Yeah no. There's too many settlers, the internal colonies are too dispersed and too well-raided by the settlers to ever foment the kinds of leaders we used to have before the aforementioned settlers had them all assassinated except the sellouts-- the only way revolution comes to the imperial core is if it comes from outside. Why I'm hoping against hope there's a way for me to escape to Cuba, DPRK, or China before a pig can murder me.

[–] urshanabi@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sorry, to clarify, is the idea that the geographic region will not experience revolution? Or that it will and a distinction is necessary to be made by external forces engaging in some sort of ops to induce revolution? I am having trouble understanding as there will always be some internal resistance, and building upon that resistance and calling it occurring from the outside seems strange since that is one part but not the only part. Unless there is some threshold of external influence and its effects which need to be passed before one can say it is external and without following such a path there is no reason to believe there will be revolution.

I hope I understood you correctly, please feel free to tell me where I may have misunderstood.

[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More like "the only way I believe it possible is if it comes from without". I am utterly zeroed out as far as faith in settler-left organizations is concerned; I do not believe any of them capable of holding 'vanguard' status or ever coming close enough to an intersectional, decolonially-focused line for their revolution to truly address this nation's conditions.

[–] WIthoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

settler-left

would this not imply that a indigenous led party would be capable of revolution?
i personally do not subscribe to the idea that revolution is impossible in the imperial core
it's impossible (or very difficult) in the United States because the military apparatus is extremely extensive.
It is not the fault of moral failing or lack of commitment.

[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

would this not imply that a indigenous led party would be capable of revolution?

It would, if not for the seeming inability of the settler-left organizations currently in the picture to step back. No, in Amerika, all the likes of Vaush have to do is link Land Back to spurious claims of belief in ethnic cleansing and all the white "leftists" hike their hems and clutch their pearls. The military apparatus is a point to raise, yes; but there is a deliberate unwillingness to understand on the part of the settlers; "leftist" or not.

[–] WIthoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Then I would agree with you in principle, but I don’t think a revolution is impossible in the imperial core, then. White people just make it significantly harder.