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i feel bad for all the people i know who got harry potter tattoos 15 years ago
edit: it's really fucking weird how people are trying to invalidate my criticism of the bigoted bigot who loves bigotry, j.k. rowling
Why? I have a HP tattoo and don't regret it. The fandom has gone past the author at this point. She's a hateful removed but that doesn't mean that we can't still love the world and characters she created. We've made it our own.
Except she still gets royalties and uses those to donate to political organizations, so you know
Tons of ways to enjoy the fandom without giving her any money.
Why not sail the high seas?
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You mean the world where slaves like to be slaves and trying to release them is wrong, apartheid is right because the other sentient people look different, the bankers are antisemitic stereotypes and the main character becomes a literal cop enforcing all this?
It's really a magical world /s
If they're a reader of fanfiction that is typically one of the major changes to the story that's done. Fanfiction has effectively rewritten the entire series to be more palatable at this point. Bonus points that you can read it without giving Rowling any money too.
If the fanbase needs to rewrite the entire series to be "more palatable" that might indicate something about the series itself.
Might be time for people to just move on to a different series.
That's a tall order with how most people act. Disney vibes anyone? There were few things that could capture a whole generation's imagination so strongly, and people want to bond over it. My stance is taking what you like and making new things is how we get new series's, and fanfic has it's place in that.
None of that is correct.
Oh, and thanks for the '/s'. You know, otherwise I really would've thought you were giving it a compliment after a full paragraph of invective.
Have you seen the two hour video by Shaun on the books? I highly recommend it for a look back on the books and the issues that we couldn't have picked up on as kids but are pretty obvious on a reread.
They're not as great as we remember them to be (if I have to read the phrase "mannish hands" or another word about a 16 year old girls "square jawline" again I think I might vomit) and if the best parts of the world are the bits created in spite of the author, why continue to associate it with her work. Obviously, it's easier said than done when you're talking about an entire community, but there's plenty of other worlds created by nicer authors.
The best thing to come out of the series was the cast from the movies being as cool as they are today, but any time I think of the world, all I can think of is the token diversity characters named things like Shacklebolt and Cho Chang (almost, but not quite Ching Chong), the young Irish boy obsessed with whiskey and explosives, and the defense of slavery that's identical to arguments from actual slave owners in the US.
Plus, there's the whole thing with the hook-nosed bankers that totally aren't Jewish stereotypes. You know who created a fantasy race based on Jews that doesn't feel like an offensive stereotype? Tolkien. Tolkien's dwarves are based on Jewish stereotypes, but don't come off that way at all because of how they're presented in the world.
While I agree with you in most things (especially the jewish stereotype, yikes) I must call you on the defense of slavery. I always got the impression we weren't supposed to agree with the magic world view of house elves. I think the only point of Hermione going over the top was showing how something so hideous had become so normalized and accepted by good people in the magic world. Hermione being an outsider sees how fucked up it is and calls it.
Things are not black white. As fucked up as JK Rowling is, it doesn't mean everything she says is bad. She tried to make some good points...others sucked ass. It is what it is.
One of the only freed house elves we hear about literally drinks herself to death because she can't 'handle' freedom, which was a defense of slavery back in the day.
Also, even more eerily, Joanne has tried to retcon Hermione as black. When you then read her as the only character to try and free the house elves, something everyone makes fun of her for, it becomes EXTREMELY unsettling. Even if she weren't black, it's upsetting, and not because we're meant to see how problematic the Wizarding World is. May I remind you, Harry also thinks she's being crazy for trying to free them, and he's just as much of an outsider as she is. When all characters from all walks of life in a work believe the same thing like this, it feels very much like it's the author who believes it and is putting it into the work.
To me, the Hermione thing had always felt like JK was trying to make her out to be a "blue hair/pronouns" feminist who shouldn't be taken seriously and in the process she accidentally walked face first into making the same argument that actual slave owners made to justify themselves. I don't think she intentionally meant to justify slavery, but she ended up there trying to criticize Hermione.
This is why I recommend Shaun's video to people, as it tries to take an impartial look at the books. He points out how it feels like JK's point of view shifts as the books go on, and she goes from criticizing the system to defending it as the money started rolling in and she began to benefit from that same system. But there are some constants with her open bigotry now even as far back as the first book, some of which I've already mentioned, like the stereotypical characters (which could easily come from growing up in a sheltered environment, but she claims to deeply research a culture before creating a character) and applying masculine traits as a negative to female characters. Whether or not she supports slavery we can only guess at as she's never made a statement on the subject, and I can't imagine that she does, but her bigotry can be seen to not be a recent development, just a more deeply entrenched or worsening belief.
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They instance they're on automatically censors certain words the admins consider slurs. "Bitch" is one of them.
It's a great example of why you shouldn't get a tattoo of something that is intellectual property. It's way too easy for that shit to get associated with bigots/hatred/etc down the line.
Another example: I'd love to eventually get a Star Trek tattoo. I can see the suits at CBS eventually burning the IP to the ground, sure. But they probably wouldn't turn anything Star Trek related into a hate symbol. But what happens if it turns out that neo-nazis start using ferengi imagery to spread anti-semetic hate? You can't guarantee your favorite skin art keeps the ethical values or meaning over the entirety of your life.
I've seen quite a few people with the old Carlsberg logo tattooed on their bodies. Imagine being a beer lover only to discover people think you're a Nazi. /s
I don't have to imagine. I'm a bald white man. People think I'm a cop or a Nazi. I'm the opposite. My only tattoo turns out to be used by Nazis as a symbol. Not commonly but I have seen it.
I go to Lowe's a lot for work supplies. Workers there commonly tell me I'm forgetting my veteran's discount. I have never been in the military. It's crazy how people just try to put you in a bucket.
Harry Potter tattoos have a higher regret rate than gender affirming surgeries.
I know several "ally" and one trans HP fan. They all just "separate the art of the artist" as cope. They're also a bunch of adult children and I don't really respect their opinions on media.
When you separate the art from the artist, you still have:
It's not that deep. It's a fantasy world that people can suspend themselves in and each person has their own self made story. If we start nitpicking which fantasy worlds have done something politically motivated we would be left with literally nothing to read/watch.
JKR is an absolute cunt who has indeed damaged the image of the HP universe but for those who just care about that fantasy world because magic is cool that's their get away from the hell that is real life.
The above criticism of Harry Potter is hardly nitpicking. When so much of a setting is stained by bigotry like that, it's time to move on. Some fantasy worlds are better/worse than others. The HP world is clearly up there with the worst because of the myriad of hateful sterotypes.
The problem isn't that the world of Harry Potter is politically motivated. The problem is that it's racist, transphobic, fatphobic, misogynist, and it's centrally designed to accommodate a political philosophy of systemic inaction even as it directly and clearly shows us systemic problems that are never solved.
The first book was good, but after that point the books keep getting more mature and discussing bigger issues, while also refusing to have the protagonists do anything to help these issues on a permanent basis, even though some of them try! Hermione tries to abolish slavery and the author has to intervene to say no. Harry Potter is trying to be a complex and political story for big kids, and it promises political payoff to the political story arcs, but it consistently fails to deliver.
By the time of book 4 or so, the fantasy of Harry Potter is an imaginary world where nearly everyone sucks and nothing about the world or society ever gets better over time. That's a depressing AF fantasy. People get stuck reliving the whimsy and delight of the first two books and don't see that Harry Potter has become grimdark. They don't see the art for what it is.
Edit response: yeah it is very weird. Imagine getting a tattoo of Hitler's (obvious exaggeration) paintings, and then have people come along to say they shouldn't feel bad because "the fandom has gone past the author".
I don't think the people with tattoos should feel responsible, or bad about themselves in any way, but I would look at them sideways if they then were saying actively that there's no part of them that's sad or disappointed about getting it.