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[–] BoredPanda@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There is no "recent resurgence".

    1. Nazis never went away. Underground Nazi groups, as well as fully fledged Nazi political parties were common throughout post-WWII Europe.
    1. The people fighting the Nazis weren't ideologically much better than them. The Americans were still racist as fuck. The British and the French were imperialist world dominators. All of these allies were involved in their own genocides. The Soviets believed in sacrificing huge swaths of their own people to accomplish "great leaps forward".
    1. Nazism and similiar ideologies are fundamentally based on in-group bias, and that is just something psychological. There will always be people who are more open to others and people who are less open to others.
    1. If you look at recent wars, you will see that even the non-Nazi, "moderate", "liberal", "centrist" political parties can have blood on their hands and be complicit in atrocities very much reminiscent of the evil the Nazis committed.

I think the bottom line is, you have to unlearn a lot of the just-so narratives that you have been taught about the world.

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I will do you one better.

Compare USSR since Stalin to Nazi Germany.

[–] BoredPanda@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking of Israel actually. I don't think the comparison between the Nazis and the Soviets is apt. The ideological motivations are quite different. And it's a typical Nazi talking point to point at the Soviets and try to argue that they were worse.

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Russia is a fascist state since Stalin.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago

Authoritarianism and personality cult in both cases.

As for the rest, it differed drastically.

Nazi Germany was a reactionary ultra-nationalist ultra-militarist right-wing state that pursued a neverending war to make "living room" for Germans at the expense of everybody else and death to Jews and Gypsies.

Soviet Union was built on the premise of equality and egalitarian society that was only militant against the bourgeoisie. It was built around internationalism and peace of nations.

Yes, it should be noted that during the war Stalin has ordered to move some national groups that were "strategically likely" to join Nazis away from the frontline, which is, let's say, not great by modern humanitarian standards. But exterminating them was never his goal, and they were very much alive and returned to their homeland afterwards. Quite a contrast with Nazis actually shooting or poisoning everyone remotely Jewish, leaving them to a painful death.