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The gap between yes/no men and yes/no women is kinda crazy. Also, probably has a lot to do with the audience this post reached.
I'm pretty sure it's from a bunch of conservative dudes answering that they're women to try to make conservative beliefs look popular with women. Like an "as a black man..." moment, except it's "as a woman..."
No... Women can be pedophiles too and you are operating on a biased belief system hoping that the data is incorrect cause you want it to be.
We don't have that, we have the results of the poll and people are fucked up in the head even when you want them not to be.
Edit: being down voted cause I'm not participating in the conversation or just because it doesn't match the set beliefs of the people who want it to be true?
You are being downvoted because you think your interpretation is more likely than the other person's. The point is that anonymous polling data isn't reliable because people lie or even totally doctor the data. So we need to use common sense and look at other, actually reliable, data to get a better sense of what is true.
You don't want to do that. So your analysis doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. That's all.
It's an anonymous social media platform with a user base that's over 1/3rd women more than even the percentage combined up there.
If you think no women at all participated in that poll then you are picking a side that for some reason excuses an entire gender for what can only be considered bias reasons.
Yes I understand it's untrustworthy but we aren't saying this is some numbers in a spreadsheet poll, it was a poll on a site that even though we may disagree with it is swarming with a huge amount of real people sitting on their phone users.
So, the only way you could assume that literally no women voted in that poll because "theirs no way they would vote that way" is a cognitive bias from wanting that to be a truth when the more likely answer and the one that is shown to be reality in a world where people (men and women included) prostitute their children for a lot less than the hypothetical.
You are using an absence of a perfect source be excuse to throw away all of the results because you want to. That's on you, not me.
Considering that 95% of adults who marry children are men (according to the UN)... yeah nah man. Guys pretend to be women on the internet all the time. And conservatives on Twitter pretend to be groups which they aren't all the time. There is absolutely 0 chance a higher portion of women answered "yes" to this than men considering the facts of child marriage. It's not just about "pedophilia" but of patriarchal societies where women are treated more or less as sex objects, things which exist for men and who's sole purpose is to have babies.
In a matriarchal society, you would perhaps see more amount of women doing this. These trends aren't an inherent thing to being a man or a woman. But, due to thousands of years of patriarchal culture, girls are the primary victim of getting married off to adults, it's just simply far more common.
And the fact that historically marriage is initiated by men in basically all countries is unimportant now cause.....? And the 5% in your own statistics just... Doesn't exist?
You want there to be zero chance and refuse to accept any other reality. And yet women do enter into sex work willingly across the world. Women do plenty of things to set their life up like marrying men they don't love all the time. Your need for a better world than we live in is irrelevant.
Man what are you even talking about right now..? What exactly are you arguing against here? I don't think we're on the same page.
I'm saying that women would absolutely take that offer. More than you think. And that you are making up a falsehood in your own head that it must be men to make you feel better about the world even though you have no basis for it other than conspiracy and hopeful wishful thinking.
The best science we have on the matter suggests that a larger portion of men are pedophiles (expressing interest in sexual relations with children), and statistically most offending pedophiles are men. This random poll on Twitter, a site infested with pedophiles and men with disgusting views on women and women's rights, where any random account can participate, is completely contradictory to the science on the matter. In my opinion, that's a pretty reasonable indication of the results being skewed by bad actors. There is no actual way to ensure the integrity of the results, as literally anyone can vote and anyone can make a new account to vote (and there are a lot of Twitter bots).
Now, I could see the argument that "women on Twitter are significantly less representative of women than men on Twitter are representative of men", but it's hard to see that effect causing this stark of a difference.
Ok all of that has no relation to the poll. And doesn't change the fact that women may and likely did vote yes. We only have the data we have. Stop trying to conspiracy that it's only men when clearly even the studies agree that women are also involved and can be offenders. There might be an audience bias but the poll results are the poll results.
I'm just pushing back on the obvious conspiracy wishful thinking being presented as facts that seems to be all over the comment section. It's like saying every person that disagrees with you on here is secretly a cat who learned to type. Sure it might be true but likely isn't and impossible to prove for anyone without some data that isn't available.
The unrelated facts about prevalence of pedophilia does nothing to change that. Just accept that you want an answer more than you want the truth.
Yeah no. There's no "likely" at all. What evidence do you have towards your claim that the people answering as women in this poll are doing so truthfully? It would be reasonable if it were a study with actual scientific methodology, but it's literally a Twitter poll.
Since you find "women can be pedophiles" (obviously) as good enough evidence that these are all women answering the poll, I can also pull up countless examples of men, yes on Twitter, pretending to be groups which they're not a part of (women, lgbt, minorities) in order to push a narrative. After all, according to your own logic it doesn't matter what portion of people you can prove do it, if it happens at all then it's a likely scenario. People lie on the internet (surprise) and they lie on Twitter especially – it's a site infested with pedophilia and misogyny, it's in their interest to do such a thing.
There's no reason to assume that people answered truthfully here, while there is a motive for bad actors to intentionally vote untruthfully. The poll having answers in and of itself doesn't lend it any credibility considering the complete lack of actual verification of the responses' integrity. This isn't "data", not any that can be used to draw a meaningful conclusion about womens' views on child marriage.
"Truth" isn't something that comes from a poll on X. I don't know how you can even fathom to make such a claim.
The same that you are arguing none did.
Edit: actually I have more cause I have the poll and a mother that raped me for free. People are simple and this said $10million
I'm not even arguing they are all women but that it's also impossible to say it's majority men pretending. You are being conspiratorial to keep a belief system about the world. You just ignore all nuance to keep pushing against having to question or change yourself.
I'm ignoring the nuance you say? I literally gave you the entire context surrounding Twitter and gender's role in acceptance of child marriage. I provided the nuance for you. It's not exactly a conspiracy theory when there are tons of studies and evidence showing 1. Twitter polls are extremely easy to manipulate 2. Twitter polls involving controversial or fringe topics are often heavily brigaded/manipulated. Your position is completely unnuanced because it's just "the Twitter poll says it so it must be true", flying in the face of any and all context.
Just to be clear, you think that most people answer political or controversial/fringe Twitter polls honestly? And you think that Twitter doesn't have a rampant problem with bad actors & social manipulation by people with a narrative to push? Or do you think that just doesn't apply to this poll in particular for no specific reason?
I think you are jumping through hoops to come to the conclusion that no women voted yest in that poll. And that when pushed against that idea you would rather lash out than question your beliefs or adjust them. To the point that you are now making broad sweeping statements to try and appeal to yourself.
I didn't talk about the other topics and haven't said any thing arguing against them or validity. I do think people show who they are if given a chance. Peace out.
These aren't "broad sweeping statements". It's just the facts of the matter man. I don't have any interest in portraying women as pure and unable to have disgusting beliefs, or portraying men as inherently worse in some way. I'm just pointing out the most likely scenario based on the countless examples of the exact same thing happening on Twitter. It's not jumping through hoops to conclude that "yeah a lot of dudes tapped option C instead of option A/B". There's no reason for them not to.