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A Milwaukee woman has been jailed for 11 years for killing the man that prosecutors said had sex trafficked her as a teenager. 

The sentence, issued on Monday, ends a six-year legal battle for Chrystul Kizer, now 24, who had argued she should be immune from prosecution. 

Kizer was charged with reckless homicide for shooting Randall Volar, 34, in 2018 when she was 17. She accepted a plea deal earlier this year to avoid a life sentence.

Volar had been filming his sexual abuse of Kizer for more than a year before he was killed.

Kizer said she met Volar when she was 16, and that the man sexually assaulted her while giving her cash and gifts. She said he also made money by selling her to other men for sex.

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 71 points 2 months ago (11 children)

No but it was deserved justice for a crime that was going unpunished

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Do we really want vigilantism though? Because that's where this leads.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 56 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Maybe the police should do their job for a change.

[–] Toastypickle@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not defending the cops here but the guy was arrested. The justice system set him free again.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fair enough, the courts didn't do thier job. The courts and the police work for us. If they fail us, we have to take over. That should be the defense.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You literally just described vigilante justice.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Yes, I did. Sadly, it's time.

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Just a thought: what happens when that "we" is people who - say - think the courts and the police are not doing their job in sending home all "these illegal immigrants" or something like that?

[–] Antmz22@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The slope isn't always slippery.

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is not even a slope, it is the application of the same principle applied by people who have different views and morality.

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

That is supposed to be the motivation for the system to do it's job... preventing groups with minority opinions from taking matters into thier own hands. But that doesn't seem to be enough anymore. I don't suggest this path because it is a good choice. It's a horrible choice. Innocent people will be hurt or killed for sure. But that is already happening in larger and larger numbers from the systems inaction. And the cost of inaction is past the tipping point with the cost of action. And I see no other choice. But I am open to suggestions.

[–] wanderingmagus@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Then we have a nice little civil war again, kill a few million of them, and this time when they surrender for the second time, we do a hard reset of their entire culture - no monuments, no statues, no memorials, no representation or voting for any of them or any who aided or abetted them, or their children, or their children's children.

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Right, violence works usually works to eradicate ideas and standardize morality!

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Which is true, and also doesn't address the point. (Also, obligatory ACAB.)

The problem with vigilantism is that the vigilante both decides whether an offense has been committed, and what the punishment should be for that offense. If I've been hit repeatedly by people speeding in my neighborhood, and cops aren't giving the speeders tickets, no one in their right mind is going to say that I should start shooting at people driving in my neighborhood. (Or, I would hope no one in their right mind would say that.)

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

She knew whether an offense had been committed.

That doesn't prove it to anyone else, of course, but it doesn't seem like anyone is (now?) contesting the the offense in question was committed. Just that he got off free and she had no recourse. This is not a one time event, either, it's a pattern where the law fails to protect people in this situation and then throws the book at them if they take matters into their own hands. If she had not, do you think this dude would still be free? Or would the law have eventually caught up to him, after who knows how many more victims?

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You don't get a license to kill just because the justice system failed you. I'm loving how everyone is screaming about how bad the justice system is with this case yet they think a bunch of pissed off ppl thirsty for revenge is a somehow the more measured and practical solution.

What if after she set the house on fire it burned down the whole block? What if the guy had a victim in the house with him when it happened? Another person pointed out she could've destroyed evidence from other victims. Two wrongs don't make a right

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I'm not saying it's more measured or practical, I'm saying it's inevitable when the system doesn't serve the people. I'm saying chaos is preferable to tyranny.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Even if she didn't harm any other people - the criminal justice system in the US doesn't allow for the death penalty for cases of rape. (And in point of fact, part of the reason that we don't do that any more is because it tended to be disproportionately applied against black men accused of assaulting white women.)

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

There's still answers out there that are "more right" than others.

Jill, what do you think the price of this bag of rice is? $8.50? Unfortunately, not correct at all. Bob? The 1950s Hall of Rock and Roll on VHS? That's a thoroughly nonsensical answer that barely even respects the question! The answer was $11.

Sentencing judge, what do you think this man's punishment for rape should be? Nothing? Oh, wow, that's a very obviously wrong answer! Vigilante, your go. Well, we were looking for "A life sentence with chance of parole after 30 years", but I will say, "Shoot him in the head" is closer to correct.

I feel like some people there's a "magic light" applied to courtrooms with judges, that makes their judgments more fair by implication. But it's absolutely possible for three people in lawnchairs discussing matters over beer to make a more fair judgment than some judges.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When the official justice system fails people, some of them will take matters into their own hands. Frankly it's surprising there isn't more political violence targeting police and corrupt judges.

And remember, jury nullification exists.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

ahem Yes, surprising. And, yes it does.

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In this case? Absolutely yes.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you willing to universalize that though? Are you willing to allow all people that believe that they have been treated unjustly to take justice into their own hands?

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (5 children)

That's your risk though. You let this person administer their own justice, why shouldn't someone else?

Where, exactly, is the line? How do you keep that slope from getting covered with oil and grease?

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[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

That's not how it works.

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