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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

tehre is no reason to believe non-human animals can participate in an ethical society, so there is no reason to include them in our ethical systems.

But we do. You mentioned how you ought not to kick a dog, for instance. The difference is that we treat some animals as companions while treating others as resources for exploitation. If you truly believe that there is no reason to be ethical to animals, why not kick that dog? Or maybe boil it alive?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

why not kick that dog?

again, kant discourages cruelty as a practice toward non-human animals, as it may lead to practicing cruelty toward people. that's it. it's not including them in our morality.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Okay, then why is animal agriculture not a bad thing? It's highly violent which can lead to violence against people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

practicing cruelty is bad, but animal agriculture is not cruelty in and of itself. if a particular operation is acting cruelly, they should be admonished.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

animal agriculture is not cruelty in and of itself. if a particular operation is acting cruelly, they should be admonished.

I would argue that animal agriculture is cruelty in and of itself. It's forcing animals into small cages, forcibly impregnating them, stealing their babies, cutting off their tails, and then painfully murdering them. It's a cruel operation

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can't make you see the cruelty. That's something that every person needs to see on their own.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I disagree that agriculture is inherently cruel.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And that's not something I'll be able to change your mind on. You can watch some documentaries such as Dominion if you are interested. Just be warned, it's of course very violent (as animal agriculture inherently is)

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've seen dominion. it's propaganda designed to inflict trauma, not a a sober analysis of humanitarian slaughter laws and practices.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is no humane slaughter. That's the point. Also watching it was your own choice. It's designed to make the viewer uncomfortable.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s designed to make the viewer uncomfortable.

yea. it uses well-known horror film techniques to induce trauma. sudden loud sounds, long sustained shots from awkward angles, long periods of loud sounds. it's not a documentary, it's a lesson on abusing audiences.

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you get trauma whenever you watch a horror movie?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

like sleeplessness, nightmares, vomiting/nausea? sometimes.