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[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

(To borrow from Cowbee's comment a bit) Wealth inequality was far lower in the Soviet Union's socialist system than the Tsarist system before it, the capitalist system after it was overthrown (obviously), and than western capitalist countries in the same time period.

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/soviets-oligarchs-inequality-and-property-russia-1905-2016

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[-] Arelin@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No wonder then that 90% of the Soviet population voted to stay in the Union, but of course that didn't stop its overthrow because capitalists had already taken it over by then.

A poll in 2009

As time passes though, the capitalist propaganda that kids in these places grow up with will probably start to outweigh the lived experiences of worsened living conditions after capitalists overthrew the USSR that their parents had. It's sad.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

No matter how much time passes, I doubt the Capitalists can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR.

[-] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR

Why not? Talk to the teenagers in Russia. I doubt many would be even aware. Nor that they'd care, claiming "well it was worse under sovok"

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

not to refute your point, but without n values per country this poll is meaningless:

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/

The closest thing I've seen to an n value is 14760, which seems good, but no idea what the distribution of votes is, most of those might come from Bulgaria as far as we know

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Funny you focus on whatever this is and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

I'm here because my family escaped that shit.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Funny you focus on whatever this is

Is it a bad thing to highlight that wealth disparity dramatically shrank in the USSR and dramatically increased in the Russian Federation?

and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

Are you referring to Nazi sympathizers, the Tsarist White Army, or Capitalist insurgents?

[-] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org -5 points 2 months ago

Wealth disparity is a hilarious metric to use when everyone was poor.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Incorrect. On top of having free healthcare, education, and lower retirement ages than the US, GDP rose rapidly.

[-] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org -4 points 2 months ago

GDP has something to do with personal wealth?!... hmmm

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

GDP Per Capita.

Wealth disparity lowered, GDP Per Capita raised. Where do you think this went?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Won’t somebody please think of the Nazis and gusanos!

[-] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org -3 points 2 months ago

Mine too, it's hard to call the dissolution of USSR illegal when it was initiated by people escaping Soviet bloc countries in droves.

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