no you got a point. i think your listed problems are the main problems you can have. with the hefty price and the "elite" vibe they sell in ads and so on, its really easy to hate. hateing apple feels like punching up.

and (most) android users dont realise that instead of beeing in apples eco system they are "trapped" in googles. I apprechiate apple for them not just blatently selling personal data, recorded from my phone. I also think in terms of polish there is no competiton. whoever used both, iphone and android phone, cant deny that ios is just far more polished. everything just works.

I personally dont like the apple proprietary ecosystem, but with no really good open source phone os, they are the best alternative on the marked atm. i dont know about laptops.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

How are we trapped in Google? It's a burden to move if I wanted to, but I can interface with everyone except apple just fine.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think their point is that nearly every other phone is in the Android ecosystem, isn't it?

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

There isn't really an Android ecosystem if you think about it. All Android devices can seamlessly communicate with Apple devices except maybe when it comes to APK's

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Oh. In that sense yeah. But most of us are also trapped on earth under that logic. I do think we need some more competition in the operating system market but I'm not sure who could pull it off. Even Microsoft bounced off of it. There is Graphene but it's a tiny sliver of the market.

[–] SorryforSmelling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

i am unsure what you mean about not interfaceing with apple? I heard in america imessage is a big thing that prevents that, but the rest of the world doesnt really use it. and besides there are many messangers that let you interface.

also i mean the burden to move. the burdon to leave the alphabet system is just as hard as the apple system imo. its just annoying both dont make it easy for any cross useage.

Edit: just wanna make clear i am not an apple apologist. i heavily prefer open source alternatives and use them whereever i can. i just dont get how people act as if andeoid/google/ect. are better or even good alternatives.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I agree it's hard to leave any ecosystem. But while Apple maintains you don't need any cross connection; Android, Microsoft, and (to an extent) Linux all play nice with each other.