I stand my opinion on this... Some people are defederating Meta because they are anti-capitalist; these are the same admins who defederated mastodon.cloud as well as instances from Medium/Mozilla/etc on moment's notice, so I think they will certainly defederate from Tumblr. Most people would probably want to at least wait & see since Tumblr isn't as nefarious as Meta is
this post was submitted on 10 Jul 2023
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Not a huge surprise there is a large anti-capitalist faction on lemmy, so this isn't terribly surprising.
I'm no meta apologist, they've done enough to warrant skepticism. The reality is they can harvest the data even if you defederate their main instance, by setting up shadow instances or just scraping other instances, so that argument doesn't really hold water for defederation. The bigger one is content vs spam coming from their instances and possible EEE measures, but immediate defederation only serves to keep them siloed off and does not let them function as an offramp to better instances for regular users.
In practice, don't be surprised if most of the fediverse doesn't defederate from either.
OP if you're gonna reference a news story from months ago you should probably link to the news story
Depends on.
Meta Threads have other issues on top of potential EEE measures and concerns about data harvesting. Meta's moderation is a shit show on Facebook, Instagram, and so far on Threads, so federating with them will result on letting a large number of trolls into the Fediverse, that are encouraged to do their trolling for higher place in the algorithm. In addition to that, Meta can dictate policies to you, like no NSFW content, and for corporations that can mean almost anything.
If Tumblr doesn't go too extreme in any of these directions, I can accept federation with them. My main gripe with interacting with corporations is that they likely want to dictate the rules of the Fediverse.
If Tumblr doesn’t go too extreme in any of these directions, I can accept federation with them. My main gripe with interacting with corporations is that they likely want to dictate the rules of the Fediverse.
So I can tell you Tumblr's policies are a copy of Instagram. It is even more conservative than gram. It doesn't want any nudity or porn or even bikini pictures. Sees a nip through a shirt, gets shadow banned. They outright ban users for it. But their bots can't handle porn bots. So average casual user/blogger will banned while porn bots proliferate.
So their moderation too is a clown show...
For me, it depends heavily on how they do it.
- Will it be FOSS?
- Will of adhere to the ActivePub standard and play nice in not trying to push it around to suit their needs alone?
- Will it be honest about how much and which data they collect, and give users control on how much they want to share?
- Are they good about not forcing their users on an unknowable algorithm?
There's too many factors to decide on a whim. Not all companies are wholly evil like Meta, Microsoft and Elon's enterprises, but they're all for-profit, and we must always be wary. I'm willing to give Tumblr's owner the benefit of the doubt for now.
I doubt it. Meta is just ridiculous, going off of the App Store App Privacy report, why does threads need my browsing history and health and fitness data? Tumblr also grabs more than I’d like but nothing like that.
That’s only talking about the apps but really reflects on the attitudes at the company. People may not trust tumblr but they are not some giant known bad actor that wants nothing more than to grab anything about you and sell that data to whomever.
A lot of it will probably depend on how they use federated data and if they start being creepy with it. I think this will be something people have to watch for with any commercial entity, but also that most people aren’t entirely against federation with commercial entities.
Tumblr still exists?
And support ActivityPub? Two things I learned today.
Doesn't support it yet. There's been murmuring that they want to support it, but I'm of the "I'll believe it when I see it" opinion that most of that was just empty promises. I'd like to be proven wrong though!
They sort of had a reawakening.
They stop banning porn?
They have recently allowed more porn. But are actively discouraging sexy pics and erotic literature.