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submitted 1 month ago by ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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ID: teen @COMMIEdaughter posted: “please do not use words like “policeman” or “policewoman.” Use gender neutral terms like “tools of the capitalist bourgeoisie and enemy of the people”.”

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 65 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm old. I've always used "pig" instead.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 month ago

That's an insult to pigs.

[–] Mindwolf@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago

Came here to say the same thing. "Pig" is a good gender neutral term and has universal appeal.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Pigs are useful. Cops aren't.

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 month ago

I believe the current term is "class traitor"

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Cop is short and gets the message across

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.org 14 points 1 month ago

Capitalist Oppressive Person?

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

just use the collective police. that way it non-specific, which if i were police person, i'd really like <3

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 31 points 1 month ago (4 children)

"Police person" also implies that police are people...

[–] ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

Oh, they're definitely people, just class betraying, oppressive, abusive people, who dedicate their lives to work exclusively in service of even more oppressive and abusive people, in exchange for some power to trip on.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i kno, police bad. i jus don come from US so police here is not so bad at all. i really do feel safer when those peeps are around.

so dehumanizing, at least to me, seems unreasonable.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Police Entity. Pronoun "it".

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

They're people. Dehumanizing anyone is gross and wrong.

[–] ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

I couldn't give two fucks what a bastard would like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[+] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -14 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Until someone assaults you and you’re running like a bitch towards your nearest police station. We need to push for police reform, demeaning and treating them like enemies pre emptively will not help any of your causes, it only entrenches them further as tools of the state instead of protectors of the people (would you protect someone that hates you for no reason other than you are a part of the system, like everyone else?)

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

be nice to the class traitors, they might betray us less

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Be nice to people, that’s all.

But I don’t see what’s productive about demonizing the police when we both know that the first thing you’ll do when someone breaks into your house or whoops your butt is call the police. Or do you think you can bring justice to perpetrators in your own terms with your own hands?

[–] ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wasn't going to engage, because lets be honest, there's no point, but I happened to scroll past these the other day, and you've given me a good opportunity to use them, and others might enjoy, so:

"but if we don't have the statemurder squad, who will fill out paperwork after my house is robbed and laugh when i ask will i get my stuff back"

It is a privilege to think the police will protect you

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[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn generalizing a large group of people always works out great right?

I really hope you never need an officer for anything, but if you do I hope you’ll remember this conversation and maybe walk away with the right lesson.

[–] Anegro_Montoya@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Assuming they're able to walk after the officer is done protecting and serving them. If you can call the police or approach an officer without concern then you don't understand the reality a lot of people live in.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I only contact the police when it's absolutely necessary, which is to say I've never contacted the police. Cops are only capable of making a situation worse.

If my apartment had a break in, the only reason to call them is to file an insurance claim, which only matters if they walk off with 1 of 4 items worth more than $500. If I were mugged or had my ass beaten, there's a nonzero chance that I wouldn't even bother with a hospital let alone cops.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

!thepoliceproblem@lemmy.world

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Yet you participate in society, curious! I am very smart."

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not what I said at all. I said that because you both participate in society and have no option other than to participate in it you should be empathetic towards them. That’s all.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

I have a little bit of empathy for the people, but not for the position nor the system.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We need to push for police reform,

Police reform would inevitably mean replacing a significant fraction of the police, because most police officers aren't qualified to do their supposed jobs.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes I agree.

But the notion that no police at all is a good idea is absolutely ridiculous. I can empathize if you live in a place where the police force is fully corrupt but this is systemic, it’s the same thing that causes poor communities to have more crime. Now I could start saying that poor people are criminals and I would be flayed alive (rightfully so), but it is the exact same thing as saying that all cops are criminals or abusers. Some of them are, many of them maybe, and in some places most of them but that in itself is not a problem inherent of the concept of having someone to protect the peace and make sure that rules are followed.

It betrays a real lack of critical thought imo.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

More police in an area CAUSES more crime to happen. And what's our response to higher crime? MORE COPS!

What useful responsibilities they do have could all be replaced by other people. Most of those do not need to be armed hotheads who don't fully grasp laws they're supposed to enforce.

[–] you_dont_666@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Please show some evidence for your claim that police cause more crime to happen.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Youre right, the police do have a monopoly on violence and will kidnap you for meeting violence with violence, as they can't have their monopoly or their authority questioned. Although, I don't consider that a good thing, myself.

The role of the police has and will always be to protect the assets of the rich. Everything else they do is a side hustle to justify their authority. Please dont get me wrong, some of those side hustles are very important but that's not what they're for. Nearly every modern police force is built on either or a combination of the British police officer or the American. One started as a private security force to protect wealthy peoples assets from starving people during the bread riots and the other was founded by slave catchers.

Every single police force started out that way and i just don't think you can build from or reform-away that kind of foundation.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

TL:DR: We just need to put the boot on a different foot and surely it'll stop stepping on our necks!

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes surely having no police is a good idea. Leopards will definitely not eat your face.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Read a book.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I read lots of books. Maybe you should read more books, they help with empathy and critical thinking skills.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't have time to explain everything to you, go here -> https://theanarchistlibrary.org/special/index and then we can talk. The state is not and never will be your friend, hope this helps! <3

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don’t need it to be my friend. I just need it to contain human violence by having a monopoly on it. You might see that as a negative, but I see it as a positive and history is obviously on my side as well, because we would have not achieved the things we have without states. You might think I lack imagination, that there are other possible systems but the truth is that all I have to do is look at the beings that are 99.99% like us to understand how we would exist without a state. We already lived like them and decided that giving the monopoly over violence to the few was better and led to more stability.

I agree with the sentiment though, humans will never be truly equal while some hold the authority to exert violence and others don’t. Once we invent God we can hand over the monopoly to it, and then we can be equal.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Until there is even a mere noticeable minority of cops in a coalition to support and implement reforms, they are all my enemy. If the problem is systemic, which it is, then everyone who willingly stays in the system without trying to change it is an enabler at best.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

It isn't preemptive to see cops as our enemy, for they're already taught to view the public as an enemy. The reform we need isn't even what gets discussed by anybody who wants to "work" with police.

Public safety needs to be gutted and rebuilt from the ground up, with cops only handling situations where someone might need to die. There is no non-lethal violence. Any instance of cops using any form of violence carries the risk of someone dying. We shouldn't expect them to be anything but violence machines; a last resort to any issue, not part of a front line.

If their unions don't hate you, you're never gonna actually accomplish anything. It's not a good strategy to ally with people who get upset at being anti-cop. In the US, politicians who say "fuck the police" are better off than any respectability politician. We've heard nothing but meaningless platitudes for years, and people are tired of it. The "safe" politicians have provided no safety, and people are too scared to trust them any longer.