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I've always bought my games on steam or OFFICIAL key resellers (GMG) since I was an adult, but sometimes it has got really expensive.

Do you consider 'cracked games' safe for your PC, your data, and finally your privacy?

You should always support developers, but it's not always possible.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

GOG digitally signs their games and have no DRM, thus no need for cracks.

If you can get a hold of a GOG version, you can check its validity.

For games outside the GOG ecosystem, they are all unfortunately at risk.

I played Baldur's Gate 3 via a pirated GOG version on release with friends until I was able to afford my own copy, then moved the saved game over to the legit copy.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

I only trust two things when I pirate games: official GOG installers and FitGirl repacks.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 28 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

No.

I pirate everything, but am very very reluctant to do so with software or games.

I only pirate in cases where the company involved is just too gross to support (looking at you, Adobe), or if there's absolutely no other option.

But I consider pirated software and games absolutely suspect 100% of the time, because I'm old enough to remember when every keygen was also a keylogger, and every crack was also a rootkit and touching any pirated software was going to give you computer herpes without fail.

So maybe it's not that bad anymore, but I mean, do you fully trust in the morals of someone who would spend the time helping you steal someone else's shit to not add just one more little thing to it for themselves?

[–] Xirup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 weeks ago

Technically it is not stealing, because it is a digital good. 🤓

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

every keygen was also a keylogger

Always worth rolling those dice - think of the amazing trackers jams!

[–] gemew26@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Exactly my thoughts. I already missed a deal on GMG twice because they're not super clear when they're discounts ends, and I were too late. I won't buy a game full price on steam so unofficial key resellers are probably what I'll use.

Since the money won't go to the developers for sure, I thought I may as well pirate it, but yeah I'm a bit concerned about safety tbh. It isn't anime or netflix we're talking about.

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

IsThereAnyDeal.com helps a lot with knowing when it's worth to buy a game.

[–] liliumstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Running any binary that you can't examine the source of (and confirm it was built from it without modification) is risky. It's mostly a balance of trust and risk. Even developers have been known to insert what we could malware.

That said, if you get your cracked content from a trusted source, I'd say it's generally safe. Otherwise, exercise extreme caution.

Is GMG an official reseller? Maybe I am out of the loop, but I thought they operated in the grey market.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Probably G2A you're thinking of, I'm pretty certain GMG are official.

[–] FPSXpert@discuss.online 1 points 1 week ago

GreenManGaming is a legitimate reseller, in a similar fashion to humble bundle or similar sellers.

I also do not like them because their keys if you are buying on sale for a new launch, their keys are usually UK based as they are UK based and they will not let you play on sooner launch dates, as I learned with Mirrors Edge Catalyst's release when I wanted to play on day 1 and should have bought direct through origin, but instead now I had to wait a week, and they did not offer a refund policy.

So instead I bought the game again on origin and gave away the other key as a free giveaway to spite them 😂

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Run them in a sandboxed VM?

VM escaping is not impossible, but its probably outside of the ability of most cracked games with malware.

Even better; Go with a bare metal linux install, and then use a sandboxed VM.

Even less malware is going to be able to VM escape and then also have any idea of what to do in a linux environment, purely because the vast, vast majority of ~~exploits~~ (I should say malware, not exploits per se) are designed to fuck up Windows.

Is this perfectly safe?

No, but nothing is.

Any legitimately purchased game with closed source, kernel level anti cheat could be doing literally anything to your PC, and you wouldn't know.

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Search for this keyword : "Fmhy". It the acronym of free media heck yeah and It's a curated list of safe sites. Fitgirl repack are the safest you can get.

[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

how do you know they are safe? who is auditing the binaries?

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The users themselves. Everyone that use cracked software know the binaries could potentially contain malware, so the people that share these cracked software need to build trust from the community before being called "safe" and get recommended. If ten if not hundred of thousands people use the binaries from a specific "site" or "repacker" without ever getting a virus, then it's most certainly safe to use/download. Fitgirl is the safest and most known repacker ever (as long as you download from the official site and not some shady copycat, that is)

[–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Considered safe only because people haven't noticed anything malicious happening? Yeah, that's still a no go for me; just because people haven't noticed, doesn't mean it's not happening.

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If You can afford to pay, then cool. Most people that pirate can't afford the games/apps anyway, so it's not really a matter of asking if it is safe to pirate but what site are safe to pirate from. Also, Pirates tend to be tech savvy from getting screwed a few times when they were younger (Ex: me), so a good chunk most certainly know how to detect viruses.

[–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

You think you know how to detect a virus, but you only know how to detect a virus that doesn't hide it's actions.

It's not about paying for software or pirating it. It's about if you pirate software, should you run it on bare metal, a VM, or on a machine with nothing else on it.

I think pirating software is perfectly fine, but I'd never run it on bare metal on a machine with other stuff on it.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I hope you compile all your own software from verified sources then rather than downloading a ready-built Linux distro with binary packages.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 weeks ago

hmm... lets see. Do I buy and download the game filled with a rootkit or download the version that doesn't have one?

[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Also FitGirl. Often she repacks DODI's repacks, but makes them much smaller for those with slow connections or limited bandwidth.

[–] land@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

💯 been using FitGirl repacks since 2014, never ever had any issues.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing is ever really safe. If a developer or publisher gets compromised, an attacker could put malware in an official release and push it through Steam. https://outshift.cisco.com/blog/top-10-supply-chain-attacks

You should always use protective measures like antivirus and dropping unnecessary privileges, and use extra measures when running anything from a less trusted source.

[–] M33@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 weeks ago

Short answer: no.

Long answer: hell no.

[–] eru@mouse.chitanda.moe 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

depends on the source, but generally no, run the game in a vm or container

[–] gemew26@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

do you need a powerful PC for that though?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You do, especially if its a new game.

I had seen other comments mentioning the same and had considered mentioning that is out of reach for a lot of people but then didn't.

Like my PC is running STALKER 2 great on the lowest settings, but if I had to run it through a VM first I would lose a lot of performance and probably dip below 60fps.

Most games people want to pirate are brand new so telling them to do something like reformat their (probably only) PC to run baremental Linux with a Windows VM for the game is just silly and unreasonable. At that point you may as well just buy the game if you need a whole extra computer to pirate it safely.

I couldn't possibly run brand new games in a VM and I only have one computer that can even play modern games. Silly suggestion.

[–] eru@mouse.chitanda.moe 3 points 1 week ago

for a vm yes, but depending on the game you can just firejail and block internet access

[–] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I would say that online games anti cheat systems are probably about as bad as it gets for privacy.

As others have said its more risky to use pirated games from a digital security perspective especially if you are running it as an administrator. So its good to try and find a source you trust and monitor your system for suspicious activity.

My bet is most users here do not practice good data security and assume their "common sense" will prevent them from malicious files.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

"cracked games" are different from "pirated games".

I'd be wary of cracked games. Pirated games that aren't cracked, much less-so

[–] Oestradiolo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago

Consider splitting the costs with your friends on GoG?

[–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Have a dedicated gaming pc that you never login to any of your real accounts with. Keep it off the network you use with the rest of your machines. Install windows and all the legit software you need. Create an image of your disk. Install pirated games and play them. Every so often wipe your disk and reset to your image.

[–] Ithorian@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

Plundering in the early-mid 00' was dicey but in the last ten years I think the only problem I've had was getting a tarbomb once and even that could have an honest mistake on the part of noob coder. I am a little wary of games that have online hacks and normally block all online features. Honestly you have to be more careful with torrent client than anything. Most of them try to back door a ton of garbage when you first install them. And yeah always use a vpn or you'll get angry messages from your isp.

[–] shani66@ani.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, i haven't had anything go wrong in at least a decade.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, since I run them in Linux, they’re basically sandboxed in an environment that most malware isn’t made for, so as long as I’m downloading from reputable sources like Fitgirl or DODI, yeah. I figure my chances of picking up a virus from a source like that, given my setup, is highly unlikely.

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That is not entirely true. You can still get windows viruses true wine. And wine isn't sandboxed.

[–] Kiuyn@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I think he mean bottle(flatpak) when he talk about sandbox

[–] ebd6a8c9051028dc1607@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

thats why i always run close source software in bwrap. not only cracked games.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago

I run them under a different user, but the same for non-pirated games.

[–] FPSXpert@discuss.online 1 points 1 week ago

If it's a "trusted" source, as in a popular one, such as a certain link from a certain girl that is fit, yes.

Otherwise another option I've done for a while was buying cheap keys from greymarket type resellers, though for those I only did them from AAA publishers never putting their games on sale and on a second account (idea being you minimize risk and if something did turn out to be a stolen key, which was a problem for a while on those kinds of sites, a chargeback isn't going to hurt a AAA publisher as much as an honest small published in house indie dev team).