You give them far, far too much credit.
Unless they came out of 15-year coma just in time for the election and voted purely on name recognition, they knew exactly what they were voting for, and why.
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Starts with "no, it wasn't EXACTLY the same salute because his wrist angle is 0.0001 degrees different"
Then "no, he was just being sarcastic, no one can just be ironic anymore"
Then "okay but it's not that bad, he's not literally putting people in concentration camps"
Then "okay but it wasn't my fault, I'm a good person"
"I just can't believe the face-eating leopards who constantly made face-eating gestures and promised to eat faces on day one would eat my face!"
Even if we give them literally all of benefit of doubt and assume it really was Bellamy salute, it don't make it any better, it's still salute of genocidal empire. And i don't have any benefit to give, Bellamy salute is old rubbish nerd trivia from century ago, here and now Musk gesture have only one meaning.
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Lol. They don't think white supremacy is bad.
And those that do gaslight themselves into saying that's not what it was
Sorry, Thanks to American Exceptionalism, (and Americans misunderstanding what that term even means). They will never, ever, ever ever ever admit that they are wrong.
The next logical step is to start seeing rambling about "god is with us, jesus is on our side" etc.
American pride won’t admit defeat, you’re right. However, most Americans are blind to brown nosing. Like Trump, if you just make them feel good emotionally, you can make them do whatever you want. (See the lifting of the tik tok ban)
Just call us good little boys and girls and tell us Jesus would want us to share, and you’ll have a communist America overnight.
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Sadly, anyone who would vote for him is incapable of this level of self reflection.
What they're incapable of is recognizing that 'the badies' (Nazis) is something they should avoid.
The problem isn't that they don't know they're evil, it's that they fucking love it.
They're in a media ecosystem that just won't talk about this stuff. FOX News and Drudge Report are going to run a thousand "Random Black Person Acts Scary!" headlines before you've had your coffee, then lead into the latest Musk scandal with "Very Jewish Very Not-Fascist ADL says Elon Actually Cool And Good".
This isn't a question of self-reflection nearly so much as it is an accumulation of priors from outside sources.
No, they're not smart enough to have that realization.
Precisely my thoughts
Unsurprising that the ADL swept in to defend him.
They're called the apartheid defense league for a reason
100%. Zionists have always had ties to the Nazi Party.
That implies Trump supporters have any introspection. The only thing they think in a mirror is "Haha, im a gigachad who triggers da libs with my maga hat!"
That is, assuming they have the ability to self-reflect
No Trump voter is casual unless they literally closed their eyes and scribbled randomly on the ballot
Of course there are. My neighbor is one. A simple minded idiot, conned by the lies and the cult of personality. But, if you talked to him, you'd never think for a second that he'd vote for Trump.
Their eyes are still closed. Unless you walk up to that neighbor in the next day or so and show him the clip, he won't see it or believe it.
Hell, it's already too late and your neighbor is probably already making excuses about how Elon Musk is just sharing his hearts energy or some shit.
Then what? I must know more about OP's neighbor!
Absolutely nothing changes. The "closed eyes" people are just as bad as the actual fascists, because they're enablers.
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Its a two party system and plenty of people looked at the options, decided "I'm going to vote for the least bad candidate", and went with Trump.
That's in part because Haris's campaign sucked shit (she spent more time on the trail with Liz Cheney than her own VP), in part because Biden's "booming" economy couldn't seemed to rectify the same escalating wealth imbalance we've been drowning in since Ford/Carter, in part because generations of voter disenfranchisement have stacked the deck against liberals, and in part because 15M D voters didn't show up between 2020 and 2024.
But the idea that "casual" voters of any strip don't exist really ignores how many Obama-Trump-Biden-Trump voters just flit in the wind based on however they're feeling at a given moment.
What's more, if the US has an underlying ideology, it tends toward fascism. Liberals don't want to grapple with that, so they end up offering up half-a-fascism to the moderate voter and telling the Radical Antifa Leftists to pound sand every four years.
I had to have the "It's just a difference of opinion" conversation for the probably 12th time yesterday. I'm so fucking tired of it.
It's not just a different opinion when you're supporting a rapist bigot who wants to allow corporations to destroy the environment and harm LGBT people and countless other shitty things. All he does is spout hate. That's what you're supporting. Fuck you.
They're the majority of the membership of our trade unions and military. Most are there because they didn't have the fiscal and educational opportunities that others had.
For nearly a decade they've perceived no practical alternative means but to remain committed to orange "literally anything else". Practical alternatives means of change exist, especially outside of electoral means.
Who should be teaching them about their practical alternative means of change?
Can they be subsequently trusted to wisely choose for themselves?
Nice, ChatGPT.
Nice, ad hominem.
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