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Boy, 16, arrested after felling of famous Sycamore Gap tree at Hadrian’s Wall
(www.theguardian.com)
There is no logic, only destruction.
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I’m really not a big fan of the teenage phase some go through where they think it’s fun to be edgy and crap on other people’s hobbies and interests.
It can be frustrating to see, but they have a tonne going on biologically. I’ve had a bunch of friends, nieces & nephews that have all been horrible when teenagers, then grow up to be fantastic, kind people.
That's because they learned where being an asshole gets them.
Some don’t. And, the people around them suffer. If this kid gets a slap on the hand, it sends a message: “you can do whatever you want with no consequences.”
This kid will not be getting a mere slap, no matter what police do. This kid will be shunned almost completely from the local community.
As he should.
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Teenage angst and contrarianism is it's own form of (backwards) logic.
I dislike you 16-year old boy, Sycamore Gap Feller.
I dislike you as I dislike Brock Turner, Convicted Rapist.
What a bizarre and completely unnecessary comparison to make..
(to be clear - cutting down a tree, however pointless and destructive, is in absolutely no way shape or form comparable to raping women)
You can still dislike someone for doing something heinous, even though the crime isn't comparable.
Wanton destruction of a living being of historical and cultural significance isn't any more or less acceptable than violating someone's agency and personhood, marring them for life.
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Both crimes involve permanent harm that cannot be repaired.
Just because you can't connect the two crimes in your head, doesn't mean someone else can't. Get out of your own head.
Sure, but he's not wrong. It's still bizarre and unnecessary. There's no need to generalize every freaking situation. It eventually waters down language IMO.
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You mean Convicted Rapist Brock Turner, now going by the name of Convicted Rapist Allen Turner, who was sentenced to six months but only served three for what his father called (and I quote) "twenty minutes of action"? That Convicted Rapist Brock Allen Turner?
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Punish the kid by forcing him to plant 300 new sycamore saplings but using a toothpick instead of a shovel.
Punish him by making him watch Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves 300 times.
No need to be so savage... he's just a kid!
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Just let him pay for the purchase and transplanting of a similar quality tree of 300 years.
We moved a 260 year old oak 50 yards to save it when building a new City Halland police station.
It cost $250,000.
So about the same as US student loans? Sounds like a good amount of debt to put him in.
putting people in serious, permanent financial financial trouble with no real chance of escaping is famously effective at treating criminality
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He’s just a pissed off, angsty, angry teenager. Make him plant 300 trees as community service in the presence of arborists and maybe he’ll learn something good for the rest of his life. Jail won’t help this tree, our world, or him.
Also today some people got arrested for putting a hole large enough to drive a truck through in the Great Wall of China. Today is bad day for ancient walls.
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Just look at that tree:
That even looks too good to be real. Probably one of the best places for such a tree to grow.
How do you just decide, "Yep, let's cut it down!" here? Did he take drugs? Like, I mean, all of them.
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The punishment should be that he becomes Johnny Appleseed and has to spend the rest of his life crossing the country planting trees
16-year-old boy [...] struggling to see the logic
What logic?
had gone through thousands of changes of seasons [...] 300 years old
300 years is only 1200 seasons.
"Has gone through thousand of change of seasons" just doesn't have the same ring to it
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Insane question, could the tree be saved by splicing it back into the trunk? Like you can do with small trees?
If they had found it right after it had been felled, they might have had a slight chance if they already had a crane nearby and ready and a firehouse.
Trees are basically a huge ring of tubes to carry water/sap/ tree blood, a thin layer of living wood between the bark and the dead wood inside from earlier growth. The tree relies on those tubes always being full of water because it doesn't have any way to push the sap around actively. The water evaporates from the leaves, buds, any part of the tree not covered by bark, and this pulls water from the bottom of the tree up to replace it. (Technically the water moves up due to capillary action of the close molecular interactions of the H2O and the tiny size of the tubes so it doesn't need a lot of "pull")
But if these tubes get cut, an air bubble gets in and that flow is interrupted. It's difficult or impossible for a plant to recover flow in that tube. If the cut is kept wet, it can keep air from blocking the tube, which is wide you are advised to trim flower stems under running water and never let them dry out if you are keeping flowers in a vase.
If a tree loses most of all of these tubes to air bubbles, it can't really recover. This is why "ringing" a tree kills it and also why there is a strict limit on the number of times you can tap a Maple Tree for syrup.
Not OP, but thanks for taking the time to thoroughly answer a question I had as well.
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Maybe replacing it from a cutting would be easier?
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I'm fine with a lenient punishment. If it turns out he did it to get attention, I'm happy to grant him that wish by an exceptionally harsh punishment, so much so that more little shits wanting to make society worse and being rewarded for it, will see that the risk is too high. Don't go into female only carriages in Japan, don't cut down trees, don't do dumb stunts against homeless people, etc.
Half the time it's paid actors, but when it's not, throw the book at them, or force extended community service to remedy the harm they do. Financially penalise any monetary gain made from such stunts. Etc.
So the various theories I’ve read are:
- kid is retarded.
- kid is acting on behalf of family.
- kid is blamed for family’s act.
- kid was fired from local ranger service and wanted revenge.
- all of above.
Kid wanted to be tiktok famous.
Like he said, kid is retarded.
Hey now, that's offensive to retarded people. They're smarter than wanting to be TikTok famous.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Officers arrested the teenager amid an outpouring of sadness over the destruction of the landmark, which has been a feature of the site at Hadrian’s Wall in Northumberland for hundreds of years.
Locals and national park authorities said they were “struggling to see the logic” in the destruction of a sycamore which had long become “part of this area’s DNA” and had gone through thousands of changes of seasons.
The tree, believed to have been about 300 years old, was made famous when it appeared in the 1991 film Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, starring Kevin Costner.
Supt Kevin Waring of Northumbria police said on Thursday: “This is a world-renowned landmark and the events of today have caused significant shock, sadness and anger throughout the local community and beyond.
Tony Gates, the chief executive of the Northumberland national park authority, said staff at the visitor centre had been in tears after arriving in the morning and finding the famous tree felled.
The Twice Brewed Inn, a stone’s throw from the site, has offered a £1,500 bar tab to anyone with information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the person who carried out the offence.
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