this post was submitted on 28 Jan 2025
191 points (99.0% liked)

politics

19623 readers
4943 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Summary

Donald Trump suggested deporting violent repeat American offenders to foreign countries willing to incarcerate them for a small fee.

The proposal, shared at a Republican retreat in Florida, has no legal precedent in the U.S. and would require new legislation.

Critics cite constitutional concerns, including the Eighth Amendment that prohibits "cruel and unusual punishments."

The idea follows Trump’s broader crackdown on illegal immigration, which a recent poll shows has significant bipartisan support.

all 47 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 160 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Should they start with people convicted of 33 or more felonies?

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 3 days ago

The felons are in the white house!

[–] riskable@programming.dev 107 points 3 days ago

By "criminals" he means his political enemies.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 71 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like an excuse to put people into work camps as they perpetually wait for somewhere to be deported to. (Hint: The camp is the destination.)

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

2026: Hmmm, these camps are looking pretty full, and deportation is super expensive. We really need to solve this problem once and for all

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

A Solution, if you will...

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago

Once the migrants are gone, there will be so many job opportunities in agriculture!

Agriculture macht frei.

[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 58 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah this “proposal” violates literally everything about the Constitution.

This is just exile but with more words, which is not allowed under the immunities clause of the US Constitution.

Every person has rights to exercise due process within the several states, exile explicitly removes this.

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Trump doesn't give a shit about the Constitution. He makes the rules. Checks and Balances? The only way that resonates with him is the checks he receives and his bank balances increasing.

He will take every inch given to him.

And just to be clear, I don't disagree with anything you said.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

The what? Look, you can't just make up words.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago

Finally, the

they're sending us their criminals

projection comes into full view.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"For a small fee"

Isn't this just buying people? I seem to remember something like this happenening before.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Yeah this is just human trafficking.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Next step: defining trans people as criminals

Florida has been trying (via the "child abuser" route) as a way to get us the death penalty

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 6 points 2 days ago

There's already another plan for trans folk. They'll claim it's a mental illness and send them to RFK's "wellness camps" to replace some of the migrant workers they're deporting.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They said Hitler was protected by the devil himself. He survived 42 (or more) assassination plots.

42 attempts on Hitler, where as he and his Death Cult were responsible for almost 21m murders.

Trump doesn't give a damn about the constitution, because the supreme Court will grant him whatever he fucking wants. When he can't concentrate Jews, people of color, people of non-white descent, political dissenters, LGBTQ+, physically and intellectually disabled, and people who refuse orders to persecute the preceding people in deportation camps, he will cull them.

42 attempts to reduce 20,900,000 murders? That's it. A whole fucking war was waged against Nazi Germany, but only 42 attempts to cut the head off the snake.

Weren't 3 of those times tied to the Pope. When the pope wants you dead you know you've made people mad

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

I mean a whole army was trying to knock on his door...

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

To where? Who is going to take them?

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

It's a short walk from "Mexico is sending us their criminals" to "We should send our criminals to Mexico."

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, if British recent history is to be followed, Rwanda.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those "criminals" were asylum seekers.

[–] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

That's a perspective thing these days

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's precedent for doing this internationally. For example, Belgium pays the Netherlands to house some of their prisoners instead of building new prisons because the Netherlands has spare capacity and it's easier than building new prisons.

I doubt that this sort of thing is what Trump has in mind though.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'll happily take a spot in a Nordic prison.

[–] Lupus@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago

From experience I can tell you that even a nice prison is still a prison. Being locked up fucks with your mind.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think, you insulted several nations by calling the Netherlands nordic.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Oh no! I need to be punished!!

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 3 points 3 days ago

Who would take him out?

[–] Kraiden@kbin.earth 4 points 3 days ago

We'll figure that out later. In the mean time, lets just keep them concentrated in one place, like a resort... or camp

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

fucking lol the irony

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

I can't believe it. His followers have been telling me that he only wants to deport illegal immigrants! I'm shocked at this totally unexpected rhetoric!

[–] FiremanEdsRevenge@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Wouldn't be surprised if this stupid fuck sends them to Russia as meat shields in Ukraine.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago
[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 7 points 2 days ago

He means he’s planning a trip abroad

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

It’s a good thing he’s too illiterate to have read Kafka’s “In the Penal Colony” and figured out that there could be a literal, corporeal form of sentencing. 34 would be a heck of a time.

If this included him, since he's a criminal, then I'd be down.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hypothetical... what if this is a coup by say Vance, or any of his underlings. The fact is the constitutional crisis's of arresting a sitting president are all defeated.

We then discover he's not immune to being deported for his felonies... and trump walks down the street as they ring the bell and say "shame" over and over again.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

I still get a bit of a feeling that Vance's goal is to sabotage Trump. I know it's unlikely that this will be a good thing, but from his previous stances on policies and such, I'm not completely ruling it out.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

He sould see how, symmetrically, other countries would be in their right to send their own criminals to the USA ... yet, being a criminal himself, he would never admit it.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

I don't think the domestic prison slave industry would appreciate that very much.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Isn't that against the 8th amendment? (Is it the 8th?)

[–] ringo32@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago

I bet inflation in us sky rocket.. Export wil shrink too because other country's wil add more tax on us products... as Healthcare become a 3th world country only the riches