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Elon Musk claims his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is shutting down payments to federal contractors, including a Lutheran charity, asserting it is eliminating corruption.

This suggests DOGE has access to Treasury’s payment systems, though officials have not confirmed the extent.

Senator Ron Wyden warned that DOGE may interfere with Social Security, Medicare, and government contracts.

Musk also called USAID “a criminal organization” that should “die,” amid DOGE’s growing influence over federal financial operations.

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[–] kungfuratte@feddit.org 56 points 1 week ago (23 children)

If the US government stops paying their bills at a certain point the country is technically defaulting. That's going to be fun.

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Does anyone know what the story is behind this charity he's mentioning?

Edit: looks like they feed and provide shelter for asylum seekers, and obviously he's against that.

[–] resin85@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Because Putin wants rid of it.

U.S.A.I.D. funds democracy-promotion programs around the world, including in European countries where right-wing populist movements are thriving. Mr. Musk has become an ally of those movements, some of whose leaders have specifically targeted the agency’s pro-democracy programs in recent years.

Supporters of Viktor Orban, the right-wing leader of Hungary and a darling of pro-Trump conservatives in the United States, have personally criticized Samantha Power, who led U.S.A.I.D. during the Biden administration, for trying to import American values into their country.

NY times gift link

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 52 points 1 week ago

A lot of our day to day military operations run on contractors. This seems like a good way to get more helicopters falling out of the sky.

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Can I ask? Why does Musk suddenly have this authority? "DOGE" isn't even a real Department, right? And also, Musk hasn't been elected or officially confirmed for any government position. Why the fuck is he giving orders and leading departments and having any power whatsoever over the U.S. Treasury and such? I don't understand how this works. Why doesn't the U.S. have any... I don't know, safeguards against this sort of shit? It's absolutely bonkers to watch this unfold from across the pond.

Musk just walked up, said "I'm in charge now" and everyone's just complying? Please ELI5.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Trump said he’s in charge in a private capacity

The Supreme Court is yet to say it’s not allowed

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[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (8 children)

How is anyone permitting any of these people to have authority?

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump's government is basically pay-to-play and Elon paid the most so he gets to do whatever he wants.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So I was looking at this today. It looks like a combination of serendipity and malicious behavior. The US Digital Service was effectively leaderless on Jan 20 when it was renamed DOGE. That's the serendipity. But it was already "excepted service" under the president instead of a congressionally chartered agency. So they could (and likely would have) simply fire any leadership.

USDS' purpose was to fix computer systems all over the government. And it was doing a great job of that. But in order to do that it does get access other agencies don't. This is where the malicious part comes in. Trump turns them into DOGE and links them with lawyers and HR people. They use their existing access authorization to get into systems and then do HR stuff instead of systems engineering. Furthermore they aren't currently funded, which means they shouldn't be operating at all. Their last funding ran out in September.

Trump can just appoint people to it because he has a wide ranging authority to do temporary hires. Another malicious catch though is Musk is clearly operating DOGE but he hasn't been put on payroll.

This is illegal, and there are lawsuits already filed. But they're counting on people not understanding the intricacies of the different kinds of federal service to enact their plan. Which to me is pretty transparently to force all agencies to submit to DOGE as a stand in for the White House and an end run around all laws about the civil service. Basically an unconstitutional power grab by the President.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Because we're all just people and at the end of the day some person is agreeing to not dispense the funds or not provide aid or to round up individuals ... Until there is meaningful pushback by people who actually are carrying this bullshit out it won't change.

Idk same as how the Nazis managed the Holocaust, at the end of the day thousands of individuals agreed and did their part to exterminate the Jews. Same as how Israel now is committing an ongoing genocide in Gaza with their military and all those individuals are carrying out their orders.

Authority, like many other things in our society, is an emphemeral concept we all agree to. Authority is given when we agree to abide by what that authority says. Same like our laws, sure we have laws against things but it's not like those actually mean anything if they're not obeyed by the majority. Nothing stopping you from doming Elon with the a large brick if you got one and can get close enough, you know what I mean?

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[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago

Musk is himself a giant government contractor via Space X and Starlink. Odds are he's just trying to clear the board to funnel the money to his businesses. Especially when it comes to defense money!

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hey military industrial complex! Please coup this administration all ready.

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[–] DemandtheOxfordComma@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago (5 children)
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

Legal authority stopped mattering the FIRST time the grifter in chief was selected president.

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[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Remember when people were posting articles on how stupid and ridiculous DOGE is because it wouldn't have the authority to do anything?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 52 points 1 week ago

It's still stupid and ridiculous and it still doesn't have any legal authority.

Unfortunately, it is being allowed to act without legal authority.

[–] Killer@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He doesn't need the authority if he just forces his way in.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

Grabbed America by the pussy

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[–] AfricanGrey@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I sure hope this was worth it to hate on the trans and the browns. That's the only thing dumb ass Americans voted for in 2024.

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[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

It's just like when Dumpf would stiff his contractors LMAO 🤣

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not paying contractors, a plan straight out of the Trump playbook.

[–] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I pray they're dumb enough to stop payments to Lockheed it Raytheon. Problem might solve itself

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[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago
[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I see lawsuits flooding the US government for not paying for things they ordered.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sorry the number you are trying to reach has been disconnected.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The US isnt good for their money. Creditors should demand their debts or threaten legal consequences in the form of international sanctions

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Contractors handle Medicare.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Contractors run our military

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[–] rasakaf679@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago

Could have used the thumbnail with his famous salute

[–] jackanoodle@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago
[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wonder at what point people are going to use force to stop this coup, at this point everyone is just watching laws and systems being broken and dimantled with no regard.

Is the media in the US that controlled that their people just don't see what is happening?

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[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So, time to stop paying federal students loans and income taxes, eh?

Edit: student loans would be more difficult because loan default but the W4 can be adjusted so no income is deducted for Federal taxes. One would just have to be sure to put that money aside in a savings account ~~to pay next year with no current impact in this tax year~~. Looks like there would have to be some quarterly payments or one would otherwise incur penalties. So it'd be a bit tricky to pull off cleanly. Maybe someone better at tax code could figure out a way to just do this quarterly.

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