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Diversity, yes. Get everyone involved.

Equity. Fairness and equality. The entire diverse population should have the same opportunities.

Inclusion. Er. Isn't this covered by the above two? I'm not against it but isn't the word redundant?

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

I am on your side, but:

You do realize that can totally go the other way, right?

The AFD implements a "ministry of crime-prevention" that surveils the public and squashes political discent. Names don't necessarily reflect what's actually happening. You should argue with actual policies they did.

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

I'm sorry to say that their answer will be something along the lines of "I ain't workin' with no n****s or f**s!". We should stop trying to assume that fascists hold themselves to the same moral standards as normal people. These are people who only abstain from using racial and homophobic slurs for fear of legal trouble. They no longer have to fear that.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Hey! I have a story on this to tell, which I will make as anonymous as possible:

Someone I know in an administrative position is in the middle of dealing with an employee who is suddenly refusing to do annual DEI training, claiming that it is against their religious beliefs. They were brought in and given a chance to defend that. Asked what specifically about DEI went against their beliefs. They started spouting a bunch of Fox News crap.

It was pointed out to them that DEI means things like making sure disabled people can get over a raised doorway. The employee said they were fine with that, but went into a whole "gay marriage is sinful" sort of rant. They were told they don't have to agree with such things, just respect them at work. And they said that was great and one of the things they loved about working there.

Basically, it turned out that they had zero issues with any of the actual DEI policies. They literally objected to those three letters being used.

[–] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)
  1. I support diversity, equity and inclusion in giving people the chance to get a good education and achieve good outcomes through their own efforts (with good teacher and mentor support).

  2. For things that are beyond secondary education, I support a race-blind color-blind culture-blind meritocracy where the best qualified people should be admitted to universities and jobs (private or public sector).

These are my ideals. But with that said, today we have none of these in the US. And never had it. Also people and systems created by people are imperfect but people are good at finding loop holes and ways to game any system.

But I still think our best hope is to do our best to support #1. We have the funds to make schools in poor neighborhoods better and pay all teachers more. The outcome of doing #1 will not be felt immediately, it will take generations.

Neither side of the political spectrum does or care about that though.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

They probably just think DEI and Affirmative Action are one in the same. I get critiquing the latter cuz it's a bandaid solution to systemic problems. Solving those would go a long way to fixing the rest of everything wrong with America. Ofc that's not quite what they have in mind and we all know that

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 14 hours ago

If you hate the PATRIOT act...etc. Look, titles of things have no bearings on what they actually are. This post is just group masturbation.

[–] jessca@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm am strongly opposed to diversity. We should stop using Windows and macOS and create a monoculture by standardizing on Linux.

[–] maniii@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

You almost got it. GNU/Linux. TFTFY

[–] robinoberg@feddit.uk 3 points 14 hours ago

I hate the positive discrimination and the forced representation. It's just bigotry.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

implying you can shame conservatives

[–] fourexample@lemm.ee 43 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I think it's important to distinguish between diversity, equity, and inclusion as CONCEPTS and DEI as an organization and initiative.

It is possible to be pro- diversity, equity, and inclusion and be opposed to mismanaged efforts in DEI as a PROGRAM.

This post assumes that DEI as a government initiative is working perfectly and has no downsides, presenting it in a way that closes it off to criticism.

Does every system have to be perfect? Of course not. It's better to have a system pushing for good that's imperfect than none at all, but framing it like this is gaslighting and hurts discussion on both sides.

[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

That's not what this post assumes. This post is aimed at those using DEI as a dog whistle for their disgusting bigotry. Present all the nuance you want but if you're missing that then you're turning a blind eye to the blatant racism gaining power and leverage in the US gov today.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

to mismanaged efforts in DEI

such as?

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

It's even worse in the corporate world. That acronym is usually attached to consultants who would extort huge fees and not really do much of anything towards actual inclusion, equity, or diversity. It would let the company check a box for PR, though.

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[–] Ensrick@real.lemmy.fan 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

A friend of mine used to do food runs for his office, where about 40% of the employees were black. The team voted on what they wanted, and they almost always chose Wing Stop because it was popular. Despite this, he was called into a meeting and accused of racial profiling for bringing "fried chicken" to a mostly black workplace. This experience reflects the way DEI programs often operate. They focus almost excessively on race, and identity, and thrive on controversy.

Originally, these initiatives created programs where people who came to companies did so to fix the issues and leave. Apparently that didn't work./ Instead, they’ve become permanent fixtures in workplaces, incentivized to perpetuate problems rather than solve them. With their continued presence, they encourage reporting and policing of behavior, creating a culture of fear and compliance rather than genuine inclusion.

DEI initiatives have failed. They've been in place for several years, yet we always hear constant rhetoric that racism and discrimination is becoming more of a problem? Instead, these programs have probably radicalized more people than any fringe political group. Many now define their views in opposition to their perceived opponents rather than on principles.

Ironically, DEI encourages prejudice. I’ve personally been told to create a bias in favor of minorities to combat existing bias, which only results in a new form of discrimination; it doesn't eliminate the existing biases. The approach based on "privilege" encouraged me to assume all black people are disadvantaged and all white people are privileged and implicitly biased. Guilt and shame are used as tools to enforce conformity, pressuring people to adopt a specific moral stance while condemning those who don’t. People are praised for being sanctimonious. It's become popular to call out others while simultaneously making self-righteous shows of one's own behavior.

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Fried chicken and watermelon are southern food, not black food. My partner is from the south, white, and we often eat things like red beans and rice, gumbo and cornbread, etc. Her grandad often brought watermelon into work, because he grew them and wanted to share it with his colleagues. Food isn't a racial thing it's a regional thing. Pisses me off when people refer to black food or white food. I personally regard lamb vindaloo as the best savoury food that has ever been made. I'm not Indian. Sorry for going off topic.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

I've seen the Right's answer to DEI.

They deny that there is/was inequality so they claim that pushing equality gives an unfair advantage.

They say that any perceived inequality is the lack in the sum of experience and expertise.

They say that forced inclusion is unfair on the meritocracy of others.

They also tend to think that racism and sexism are overblown because they are incapable of believing (or it is otherwise too inconvenient for them to believe) that other people actually have problems if they don't themselves experience them.

[–] Obline@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Most people who are against DEI are against the "E".

They believe that equality is the end goal, not equity.

Equality = equal opportunity

Equity = equal outcome

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