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Kennedy’s hearing signifies how close a man with medically racist beliefs is to becoming the US’s leading health official

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[–] zovits@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

"Samudzi is concerned that a Kennedy appointment could result in policies that halt research and dismantle demonstrably proven health interventions."

I assumed it is already well-known that this is exactly the goal of his nomination.

[–] ricketyrackets@lemmy.ml 20 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What I really think America needs is an unqualified heroin addict that is a self proclaimed arm chair scientist.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

You want the bush model or the Kennedy model? Sorry, were all out of the bidens, the just fly off the shelf.

[–] falynns@lemmy.world 38 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Someone just say the racist old man is a racist old man with racist views. But then they would be the target of attacks for "not being civil" to the racist. This country sucks.

[–] eagleeyedtiger@lemmy.nz 13 points 12 hours ago

Everyone needs to remember the Paradox of tolerance. Allowing intolerance will only breed more intolerance. Everyone should speak out and shine a light on it when they can.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's just super old school racism is what it is. I'm talking like 17th century racism.

[–] StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Creating Caucasians/Aryans remains the stupidest science. Bunch of hateful twits obsessed with bullshit like where Noah's Arc was and measuring their own heads. Filthy rotten fuckers, every one of them. Paved the way for shit like

A 2016 survey revealed that of 222 white American medical students and residents, nearly 60% thought Black people’s skin is thicker than white peoples, and 12% thought Black people’s nerve endings were less sensitive than those of white people.

jfc...

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Some of the dumbest people I've ever met have been doctors and nurses, the more the specialize the worse shit to, they are so hyper focused on their jobs they just fall into the stupidest shit.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

As the old joke goes: what do you call the person who finishes last in their class at medical school? Doctor.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

This is a huge problem, the stats are way worse for nurses as I recall. Even some textbooks still claim that black people have higher pain tolerance and need less medication. Black people are denied opioids and treated as “drug seeking” far more than white patients. They can have problems accessing treatment for opioid use disorders too.

In 2021, maternal mortality rates for black women were about 2.6 that of non Hispanic white women. Its not hard to see why.

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 18 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

the insistence on there being differences between the racists is central to Fascism.

they NEED it to be true to bolster their ideas and goals.

[–] Jeffool@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I think you made a typo, and meant to say "races".

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

They need the racists to be different too.

When they wipe out whoever the majority hates, diversity in racism means there will be new groups hated by the majority that can be wiped out. And then another group the majority hates.

Turn everyone against everyone else, and everyone becomes disposable.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

RFK Jr is the embodiment of unscience. If there was ever a god of unscience RFK Jr would be its avatar.

[–] kepix@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

how it started with the jews back in the day.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

Actually how it start with black people. Classical race science was invented to prove how black people had thicker skulls and felt less pain in order to excuse slavery.

Fun fact "The origin of species" is only half of the name of Darwins book. Don't ask about the other half.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Don't forget the "science" of things like drapetomania.

Yes, certain people who were actual medical professionals in their day argued that not wanting to be enslaved was a mental illness if you were black.

[–] wildlyfist@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Yea, along the old meme of Black people being fast runners by default.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

Do you think Darwin meant this in an aspirational or observational way?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Don't pretend Darwin and Galton were the same person just because they were related.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

“Favored Races” does not mean “white people.” “Favored races” = “selected species.”

This reminds me of weird creationist canards. Darwin is not responsible for social Darwinism, and distanced himself from it. He was talking about finches and tortoises.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Darwins was pretty bullish on white surpremacy and sexism.

https://wng.org/roundups/darwins-racism-1617223432

After religion took a nosedive it was very convenient that slaves and colonies suddenly turned out to be "biologically inferior" humans.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That’s not talking about Darwin’s views though, that’s talking about how scientific racism adapted and distorted Darwinism.

Darwin was against slavery and connected to several abolitionists. Darwin never really promoted social Darwinism, and his writings point out how human society does take care of its weak/those who would not otherwise survive.

Slavery, although in some ways beneficial during ancient times, is a great crime; yet it was not so regarded until quite recently, even by the most civilized nations. And this was especially the case, because the slaves belonged in general to a race different from that of their masters. As barbarians do not regard the opinion of their women, wives are commonly treated like slaves.

Like these are not the words of an evil sexist pro slavery eugenicist. I would not argue that Darwin wasn’t sexist or racist at all - it’s the 1800s, they all are - but Darwin is not responsible for eugenics/social Darwinism.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The article I linked previously was the top result this one might be slightly better it contains some quotes

Indeed, he articulated this same principle in his scientific study of human evolution, The Descent of Man (1871), where he claimed, “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races.”

Not only racism, but racial extermination was an integral feature of Darwin’s theory from the start.

There is more this is only a small part. Darwin also had passion for misoginy

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I’m genuinely surprised to see creationist apologia on Lemmy. Here’s another article from the same website:

“When Christians Embrace Scientific Materialism”

West explains that “Stockholm syndrome” refers to the tendency of a victim to bond with or sympathize with his or her captor. West uses this phenomenon to describe the damage some influential Christians do when they decide to reject historical biblical teaching in favor of scientific materialism. One symptom of Stockholm Syndrome Christianity in science is a diminished role for God in Creation. As Exhibit A for this symptom, West chooses Francis Collins, arguably the most celebrated evangelical Christian scientist in America. Collins, who rose to fame through his work on the Human Genome Project and his bestselling book The Language of God, is admired by Christian leaders and laypeople alike as an exemplary model of a faithful Christian in science. But West contends that Collins’s model for integrating faith and science is deeply flawed. From failing to challenge the secular establishment in the areas of abortion and sexuality as head of the National Institutes of Health to a years-long quest to marginalize and attack Christian scientists and scholars skeptical of Darwinian evolution, West explains how Collins has fallen prey to Stockholm Syndrome Christianity. West also describes modern theistic evolution, the flawed theological perspective that has inspired many of Collins’s scientific positions.

It might not surprise you then that that Darwin quote is taken dishonestly out of context:

But these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked (18. 'Anthropological Review,' April 1867, p. 236.), will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

With respect to the absence of fossil remains, serving to connect man with his ape-like progenitors, no one will lay much stress on this fact who reads Sir C. Lyell's discussion (19. 'Elements of Geology,' 1865, pp. 583- 585. 'Antiquity of Man,' 1863, p. 145.), where he shews that in all the vertebrate classes the discovery of fossil remains has been a very slow and fortuitous process. Nor should it be forgotten that those regions which are the most likely to afford remains connecting man with some extinct ape- like creature, have not as yet been searched by geologists.

Eg, he’s talking about the elimination of a taxonomic distinction not violence or subjugation.

At this point, I’m not sure if you are being intellectually honest or if this is a weird crypto creationist propaganda thing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Both of these people are acting like Darwin and Galton were the same person and I think it's intentional dishonesty.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 77 points 1 day ago (13 children)

During Robert F Kennedy Jr’s Senate confirmation hearing on 30 January, Angela Alsobrooks, a Democratic senator from Maryland, pressed the nominee on his past claims that Black people have a stronger immune system than white people and thereby, should receive vaccines on a different schedule than them. “What different vaccine schedule would you say I should have received?” Alsobrooks, who is Black, asked the health secretary nominee. Kennedy then referenced a “series of studies” showing that “to particular antigens, Blacks have a much stronger reaction”.

I randomly rewatched The Help and one of the racist white ladies was talking about how black people have different germs. "How ridiculous," I thought. And yet here we are.

Again.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 160 points 1 day ago (27 children)

This is what is known as scientific racism. The US has always been the world's #1 producer or it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

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