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I know nothing should surprise me with these fucking people at this point, but my mouth still dropped open when I read that.

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 20 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

The “pager attack” killed 42 people, including two children and two healthcare workers, while wounding another 2,800 people. The attacks targeted public areas, including cars, streets, and supermarkets, and many of the wounded suffered eye, hand, and brain injuries. Many survivors needed surgery, and some victims went blind or had to have their limbs amputated. One of the attacks killed an 11-year-old boy and an 8-year-old girl, along with a nurse. At a funeral for some victims, another electronic device attack was carried out by Israel, wounding more people. It’s unknown how many Hezbollah operatives the attack actually killed.

“That was a great operation,” Trump reportedly told Netanyahu, after being given the morbid gift.

I can not believe this man was voted in. I can not believe this time line is real.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 11 points 1 hour ago

You should see the hasbarists that tried to tell me that the operation was highly successful since it killed the children of Hezbollah operators, and that was its intended victims. Basically these people consider children to be very valid and normal targets to the point that you are a fool for thinking it is wrong.

In all honesty at that point I am actually surprised at the restraint that Hamas and everyone else has had on them. Iran and even the Houthis defeated Israel's Iron Dome and David's Sling so many times it isn't funny, but they still act like it is some impenetrable forcefield that has never been defeated. Also all of the targets by Hezbollah and Iran have been purely military targets or symbolic while also pulling some major punches, while Israel targets civilians with wanton abandon and with the intent to do as much damage as possible to civilians and civilian infrastructure.

When Israel did get (mostly warhead-less) missiles launched at it, they expressed shock and acted as if Iran was some idiotic child-like state that did not understand that these are weapons that could hurt people. In the meantime they revel in the murder of children and civilians and even when releasing hostages as a part of their deal, they open fire at their buses.

And Israel has always been like this. It isn't new.

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 2 points 29 minutes ago

Believe it or not the Democrats had machinations themselves that they had been working on a long time, and was very nasty. Rumor had it, Kamala would have no problem finalizing those plans, which is why she was ushered in without a primary and Joe was forced out. BOTH PARTIES HAVE GOT TO GO. The democrats enabled this level of power abuse because they wanted the power themselves, nothing was codified into law because they thought they would have the power. They are just as guilty of these current administrations actions because they themselves refuse to limit the powers and reach of branches of the government, they only ever extend them... And they did it because they had plans for that power, but you don't need to believe that, the evidence they allowed the power to exist is elected and likely xitting on truth right now, that's all you really need to believe, Democrats enabled this.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I can't believe all the people who sat the election out and just let this happen.

[–] skaarl@feddit.nl 3 points 37 minutes ago (1 children)

This is such a strange take, but a popular one among Americans it seems. There are many more elements to why Trump is president, structural incentives especially money in politics and the specific democratic process that involves the Electoral College, districts etc. I'm not American yet even I know about these... don't you guys? It's sad because it seems like you guys are fucked, and have no idea what you did wrong. The burgler is in the house and you all are trying to wrestle down a potted plant.

It's also absurd because the US markets itself as the world leader of democracy, but Democratic voters are saying, "Why didn't you vote with the Party? You shouldn't have exercised democracy!"

I know you don't speak for all Americans, but maybe you can shed some light on this.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago

Do you think maybe there are multiple reasons why Trump is president and one of them could possibly be because far more people sat out the election than could have swung it against him?

Also, you shouldn't vote with the party. You should vote against the fascist. I have no idea why that is confusing to you unless you vote for fascists.

[–] analoghobbyist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Can't even make this shit up anymore.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Phew. Good thing we didn't vote for Kamala.

/s

[–] thesven@lemm.ee -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You do remember that this attack happened while Kamala was VP.

I would feel sick if the candidate I voted for was cheering Israel for massacring thousands of innocent people. May I remind you that the DNC barred the pro-Gaza crowd? May I remind you that Trump and Biden were competing on who is the closest Israeli ally?

Yep, having Trump as a president sucks, but at least my hands are not filled with blood.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Did you vote for Kamala? Or did you allow trump to get elected? Guess what, your hands are stained with innocent blood either way. Your hands fill up faster with trump.

[–] thesven@lemm.ee 1 points 59 minutes ago (2 children)

I was not complicit in getting either of them elected. My hands are clean, and so is my conscience.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world 2 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

this is an interesting stance. not a US citizen, but i live in a country where voting is mandatory. i assume you didnt vote?

[–] thesven@lemm.ee 1 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago) (1 children)

There are not just two candidates in the US, although the establishment would prefer everyone to believe that.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world 3 points 34 minutes ago* (last edited 33 minutes ago) (1 children)

right but FPTP kinda ensures third party is negligible until it becomes the 'second party' right?

edit: and also, i agree itd not youre fault, not trying to assess blame, just trying to understand the psyche of a (realistically) non-voter

[–] thesven@lemm.ee 2 points 32 minutes ago

Unfortunately.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

You had a choice to make, either vote for one of them, assuming you're American and can vote, or be complicit with whomever was elected. You can trick yourself into believing you had no impact on the outcome, but assume what I said earlier was true, you either helped trump get elected, and therefore have blood on your hands, or you voted against trump, and have blood on your hands, but less blood.

[–] thesven@lemm.ee 2 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

Hence why I said you had blood on your hands no matter what. This is where harm mitigation comes in, by not voting, you agree to whoever is elected, in this case trump who wants to further ethnic cleansing. This was the last election in the US as we know it. And trump isn't a "tiny bit worse".

[–] thesven@lemm.ee 2 points 34 minutes ago (1 children)

Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.

I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago) (1 children)

Not voting for the only viable candidate that wasn't an overt fascist is empowering fascists. The democrats aren't solely to blame those who allowed a fascist dictator to come into power share the blame

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

Not voting for candidate = voting for them.

Solid logic.

Telling people how they have to vote.

Also, solid logic.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world -3 points 2 hours ago

Go figure... Maybe those who stayed home and didnt vote made a conscious choice for "certain, quick, unpleasant end" instead of "slow, uncertain end".

I have been complaining about getting tricked by !theonion@midwest.social several times over. Oh would I love to be tricked right about now.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The sick Orange POS would take a gold Tokarev pistol from Stalin.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

And put it on his desk in the Oval Office next to the Diet Coke button.

[–] JohnScig@lemmy.world 29 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

One day, decades from now, people will read about these men in the same way we read about Mussolini and Hitler. They'll be reading with bated breath about the atrocities they committed and we'll be asked by our grandchildren how was it possible to even happen. Hopefully they'll live in a world where none of this would be possible and they won't comprehend the evil and cruelty that we got to witness, they won't be able to understand how so many millions cheered for these monsters. Come to think of it, I don't understand why so many millions cheer for them today.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If it's anything like Reagan, there's probably going to be some revisionism.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Israel had invested billions and continues to invest record numbers every year into propaganda and desinformation, in particular revisionism of its own history. And countries like the US and Germany are helping them with it.

For instance in some places in Germany it was decided to make it mandatory for teachers to use a leaflet called "Mythos Nakba" - Nakba myth, which is claiming the ethnic cleansing of around 750.000 Palestinians before and during the formation of Israel in 1948 to be a "myth". Of course this leaflet comes from an Israeli propaganda organization, with connections to the government funded "Zentralrat der Juden" - central council of Jews. The "Zentralrat" used to be a representation of Jews in Germany but has been usurped into a key organization of Israeli propaganda in Germany over the past decades, while continuing to claim to represent the mainstream of Jews in Germany.

This is particularly insane in Germany, where denial of the Holocaust is a common trope of the fascists too.

[–] uhmbah@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, this turn in history will go beyond decades. We have entered the dystopian age where corporations will run or replace governments.

There's no coming back for this one.

Corporations 1, people 0.

[–] uhmbah@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)
[–] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Your link talk about apple though ?

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Ummm. That link is Apple

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

IF they had verified each individual target before detonating it could have been the single operation with the highest success rate for hitting actual militants and the lowest civillian casualties out of everything Israel has done lately, but instead they just detonated like a thousand pagers and pissed off Lebanon immediately after a US Diplomat came by to criticize them for escalating tensions in Lebanon.

Actually, it still might be. Pretty low bar.

I wonder if Trump's Gold Apollo will blow up, too.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

That last bit was my thought too, I ain't taking a pager from that dude. Gold or otherwise.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

That's fucking macabre... And since it's from Israel, there's probably a bug in the pager too...

[–] JustAThought@lemm.ee 67 points 19 hours ago (4 children)
[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 41 points 18 hours ago

I was thinking the Onion is trying to be creative but damn reality is worse than fiction can be.

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[–] kyle@lemm.ee 50 points 18 hours ago

Imagine the outrage if a world leader gifted another leader a golden model airplane after 9/11.

Insanity.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Does it come preloaded with C4 or is Trump expected to add that herself?

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

One can hope

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 19 points 17 hours ago

There they go, best buds, genocide bibi and ethnic cleansing don.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Terrorism twins

[–] Wytch@lemmy.zip 86 points 22 hours ago

Fucking grotesque. Hey why not make a lampshade of human skin next time. Sick fucks.

[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 43 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Where's the kaboom? There's supposed to be a kaboom!

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 33 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (10 children)

As a Canadian, It’s crazy how easy these two played the American left by starting a genocidal war and having musk and the oligarchs use all propaganda machines to turn it into the Democrats fault. And the left just ate it up despite how blatantly obvious it was. The left splintered and had a “no, YOU’RE the fake leftist!” Argument among each other while the right unified and laughed at you guys

[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

I mean it seems more because Biden's administration was hugely pro-Israel and consistently the destruction of Gaza and the death of Palestinians, and Harris started plainly her policy was the same. Harris ran on a campaign of telling parts of the left that they didn't want their vote and courted mythical moderate Republicans.

And I voted for Harris, but this was by far a loss due to the Democrats abandonment of their base and what polling clearly showed people wanted change, irrational or not, just something different. Running on a same-as-Biden platform was a massive blunder.

[–] fart@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

if only there was a way for the democratic party to not be accused of sending weapons to a country actively committing war crimes . alas , it is the voters faulrv

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