No coincidences, trump will always bring disease and ruin. You keep welcoming the fox back into the henhouse, America.
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Between this and Gaza (and everything else), I really honestly don't think we have seen a person in all of human history who checks more boxes of being the antichrist.
Like fuck, he literally brings pestilence and disease with him.
The constant edging with bird flu mania is going to make people not pay attention when it actually pops off.
This is it popping off. We've already lost a huge portion of chickens in the US. We're seeing dozens of cases in humans. And it's in cows too. The only reason it doesn't feel like a big deal is because we as a nation aren't doing anything about it yet, only individual farms are. Same way COVID went from "is this a big deal?" to "oh fuck shut everything down".
The big event will be someone with regular human flu getting bird flu, giving the virus opportunities to swap DNA segments. If it gets the transmissibility of our standard influenza and the lethality of bird flu, it'll be a rough six months to a year before we have vaccines for it as it rips through our population.
Especially considering flu vaccines are made with eggs, and this disease is currently thoroughly decimating our egg producing livestock.
The lethality is 52%. If it rips through the population, we're looking at total collapse well before the vaccine is available.
Highly dependent on the degree to which it's contagious. But you're right, especially considering we're looking at one of the worst flu seasons in more than a decade currently. If all flu cases were 50% lethal that'd be 10-15 million deaths.
The problem is that the CDC isn't getting to say anything right now, so we can assume that the moment they get to talk about it, the stupidest people you know are going to go "woah this was really sudden! They clearly made it in a lab!"
That's actually a really good counter point that I hadn't thought of.
Thank you, I've spent a lot of time giving myself brain damage so I can understand the perspective of conservatives.
Huff a lot of glue or paint, maybe ram a crayon or two in your brain. Then you might get close to understanding.
If we just stop testing it will go away like magic. Did you learn nothing from Covid?
When would you like to be alarmed? For me it was when it jumped to mammals.
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If it escapes under Trump's leadership can we call it the trump virus? Please?
Trump virus 2
Bird flu boogaloo
Morbus Maga.
If we could get enough people to stop eating animal products at the same time, it would simultaneously lower their personal risks of infection, the risks of another pandemic, and it could hit the animal ag industries hard - who are some of the largest funders of the gop.
The worst thing the left could do is go after people’s meat.
Set environmental targets and cruelty laws, but get out of here with associating the left with veganism.
Really? Cause if nothing else, every dollar you spend on animal products may as well be a direct donation to the republican party. And environmental targets? Good luck with that if you support meat and dairy.
Sorry, but animal consumption and commodification is so thoroughly embedded in the conservative identity, that if you're going to be anti-vegan, you may as well start wearing this shirt.
Lol, I'll add that to my list of things I need to be on the "left."
How you going to lead the revolution without guns and protein? Fuck workers interests and owning the means of production, we should be concerned about their diets!
Capitalists will sell you meat if you want meat and vegetables if you want vegetables, one is certainly more green, but not more left.
It sounds like you can't really imagine a world where there exists more than two kinds of people. Also saying you can't get protein on plants in 2025? Maybe before wasting your time on pointless debates, you should spend even a modicum of time getting basic facts right.
I mean you’re the one who can’t imagine a person on the left not being vegan. Who can’t imagine more than two kinds of people in this conversation? Are you going to form a workers movement with those very same working conservatives you are upset with by telling them about how their cooperation in a union benefits themselves and everyone, or about a moral crusade about the animals?
Like sure we gotta cut down on animal products for environmental reasons, but that’s not veganism, that’s practical environmentalism. There’s no moral argument there. But to be frank, I and most other people do not care at all about the morality of eating animals, and will not be convinced to care, ever. An economy without animal products is not something most people ever aspire to obtain.
Ironic, considering that moral crusade for animals entails lifestyle changes that are one of the most beneficial things a person can do for them self, as well as others, other animals, and the planet.
lol that’s what they have always said https://youtu.be/0ens0WjAyOc
Do you actually have anything relevant and constructive to say?
That the worst thing the left could do for itself, for its standing in the American population, especially in the present era, is to ridiculously focus on a moral crusade against meat. It’s another culture war topic that divides the working class.
People will stop eating meat when they can’t get it anymore, in which case nothing could lead to revolution faster, or when it grows in vats, no other reason.
It kind of just sounds like you, personally, don't care about anything but yourself. Strawmanning animal rights as a "culture war" topic, when my point in this particular thread had nothing to do with animal rights. Am I an animal rights supporter, and willing to argue that everyone needs to stop being abusive and cruel to animals? Yes, but that's not what this thread is about right now.
This was strictly about how the ceasing of consumption of animal products is one of the best things a person can do to protect them self from the next impending pandemic, and how doing so en mass would have the side benefit of being a blow to the republican party.
All you're doing is trolling someone who is just sharing info that might be lifesaving.
In the last pandemic, we couldn't get people to wear a mask sometimes without them losing their shit.
Should we have all stopped wearing masks because some people refused to? Should we all be anti-vacc because some people are?
If you're so constantly focused on your perceived enemies that you fill your time and mental energy with trying to tear them down, then yeah, you're going to lose sight of what you're reaching for in the first place. Change yourself first, and as you live by your own word, your example in and of itself has at least some automatic impact on changing others - even if those changes are gradual and take time.
Don't lose sight of the fact that even a single person changing their diet will have less risk of death because of that.
I’ve been doing my part of drinking stuff with oat milk and eating a plant based diet
I love the enthusiasm but the movement would immediately be labelled as woke and a lot of people would start eating more animals just to “own the libs”
Nah, we just need to lean into their toxic male fragility. Remind them it's super gay to have some animal's meat in their mouth. So juicy it slides right down your throat. Yeah, you enjoy that beef on your tongue, you slut?
If we really pushed that message, Joe Rogan would be vegan within a week.
The people who would do that would be putting themselves at greater risk when the next pandemic does break out. That's their problem - especially if they've been informed on everything they can do to help and protect themselves.
That’s their problem
Unfortunately, with how pandemics work, it would be everyone's problem.
It already is, and they're already speedrunning us into the next one. All the more reason to focus on protecting who we can, and who is willing to not be an active harm.
There is also a reputed new cat-to/from-human transmission vector for H5N1, which was briefly noted in a CDC report last week before being redacted: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/health/cdc-bird-flu-cats-people.html . NYT article may be paywalled, but details can be found in other media sources as well.
Corona 2 electric boogaloo here we come!
This would be much worse than COVID. Bird flu is far more deadly.
in the beginning yes, but as the virus mutates, the variant that spreads quicker will also be less deadly. like with covid too. not that it isn't dangerous now, but it was far deadlier in the early stages.
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The mask thing is going to be so funny again..... I guess .. ughhhhhhhhhhhh. Subscribe to the WHO if you haven't already
I'd be more than willing to build special warehouses for the unvaccinated manned by doctors and midwives with tons of knowledge about holistic medicine and essential oils, get them out of real hospitals
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